390. - The 1975

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. All right, Jason, we're back in L.A. It feels good. What's going on over there in Glendale? I just finished doing my calisthenics. I'm drinking Gatorade for some reason. My body's craving Gatorade. Does that ever happen to you, Chris? My body does crave Gatorade, actually. We went through a phase drinking it, I think, last summer or two summers ago. But it's really nostalgic for me because my dad was a big Gatorade guy. He probably still has stock in the company, right? I wish. You think I'd be where I am now if my dad had Gatorade stock, bro? I mean, that's a quadruple IPO at this point. At this point. But, yeah, I do crave it from time to time. Do you think your body is just needing those? electrolytes from all this uh traveling and partying you've been doing yeah exactly i'm i'm so so bloody stoked to be back home not drinking 11 martinis a day only just kind of powerfully consuming edible marijuana and just you know cleaning the house no stretching taking the trash out it feels good to be home bro yeah i'm not feeling my best either but luckily i was able to sneak out this morning after my business of fashion panel to hit next health and get a B12 shot in my ass. So is that why you sound so fucking beast mode right now? That is why. And I haven't even worked out today. Because of my busy schedule, I've had to move my Pilates to 4 p.m., Jason. So I'm assuming that since you weren't able to get a pump in before your business of fashion roundtable, for members only, you probably weren't firing from all cylinders, I'm assuming, right? That's what you would think, Jason. But luckily, thanks to adrenaline, caffeine, and a nice shower, I was...

feeling better than I should have been considering the situation. Because I didn't stay up late last night. The Emmys were luckily over by 8 or 9 p.m. In and out. Sounds like your birthday party. So that makes a lot of sense. Because I was wondering, the men's... fashion market is so hot, you kind of don't even need coffee. It's like you wake up every day invigorated and kind of ready to tackle. Yeah, I hate when I burn my hand on the men's fashion market. You know what I mean? I mean, the men's fashion market has been so sizzling hot for the last number of months. My pour-over machine, there's cobwebs. I know, I know. It was a fun little chit-chat, and I was happy to do it for members only, of course. But there was like 200 people watching, so I just didn't know how that stuff worked. It's like a Doja Cat Live, bro. Damn. This Zoom shit is over, I thought, but apparently not, because I saw this morning on page six, Bill Hader. getting a lot of positive press for being the only person at the Emmys wearing a mask. Okay, I saw that. He's a hero. I mean, hopefully he had COVID himself and that was the only reason why he was wearing that mask. Yeah, that's what I was thinking myself. But who knows? I mean, he could have many things. Maybe he was just trying to hide his face. I think that's... why would he hide his face yeah i mean he doesn't love the cameras i don't know he doesn't seem like a guy who like loves being famous he's he's behind the camera kind of guy i mean the the type of people that like bill hater probably probably got erect knowing that he was wearing a mask at the emmy's yeah yeah we know exactly who yeah if you like hater bait if you like bill if you like bill hater we know you're walking your dog uh right now in cobble hill so thanks for listening to this if you ever rubbed one out to barry That mask is like Spanish fly. That mask works for you. But, yeah, we did celebrate my birthday on Sunday night at Gigi's in Hollywood. What a great party. Thanks, Jason. Do you want to kind of break it down? I was obviously blacked out, not from alcohol but from excitement and, of course, socializing. I realized I didn't have a single glass of water.

Or a cigarette the entire night. I just completely powered through. Stress case. I know, I know. I like that your version of powering through is not drinking water at a bar where the water's free. Well, I mean, it was an odd situation for me as a guy who loves to hydrate. Did you kind of think it was funny that nobody decided to give you like a parody gallon of water and that's sort of what you're depending on sipping on for the rest of the evening? I will say I wanted a few more gifts. I was a little surprised. More people came empty handed, something I would never do. But at the same time, you know, that that maybe that's my own fault, you know, for not kind of putting my 40th birthday registry on the invite. Yeah, I think. Yeah. What do you do? How do you get people to give gifts? You can't put on the invite gifts. Welcome. Gifts, characters, welcome. Gifts, welcome. Presence, encourage. Because if you set up a gift table at your party, it's already too late by the time they show up. I mean, I just think that 40 is a big year, but I did get one gift that I would like to shout out that was extremely funny. Is it the gift of music? No, that's not. From DJ Them Jeans, a value that you can't really put a price on, but if you can, right now it's around $7,500. I will say you sitting down in a chair and playing music. that I picked out for over two hours is a gift in itself. But I paid for all your drinks, so I think it maybe evens out at a certain point. But a friend of the show, Decatur Dan. I handle the tip. Don't worry, Chris. Friend of the show. No, you didn't. Friend of the show, Decatur Dan, showed up with a Dior shopping bag, and Dan is known as a lavish gift giver. So I was like, oh, did Dan get me some Kim Jones Dior small leather good as maybe a nice gift? We've been friends for a long time. I opened the package, and it's just a stack as tall as, you know, it's like I can barely hold it in my hand of Whole Foods. It was a brick. Of Whole Foods gift cards, and then there's a receipt included. Just in case. He had spent $250 on Whole Foods gift cards, but it was in increments of $5. Right, right, right.

So now I like the gift, I appreciate it, but it's also a prank because now I have to look like a loser and give him, you know, if I'm spending $50 at Whole Foods, I got to carry in 25. You're going to be looking like a coin star-ass bitch at Whole Foods peeling off fives. Exactly. So Dan treats Whole Foods like a strip club, no surprise to any of us. Yeah, I was going to say, you could kind of wing one of those over at Tootsie's or Magic City. and someone would be like, you know what, this is great. I was thinking about getting a California roll for my lunch break. Hit me with two more of those, and I'll get a coconut water. Yeah, I'm just going to be peeling them off. It's my $2 bill now going out, but that was the best gift so far. That's for you, sweetheart. Except the gift of friendship, of course. All the friends and family in Los Angeles did attend. John Mayer told BJ it was a little too late for him, 9 o'clock on a Sunday. I believe him for now. But it was a good party. And Mikey, who also manned the ones and twos, was dressed like a combination of David Beckham and Brad Pitt from the 90s. Do you think it worked? Because the goatee is a bit far for me, but I do think it worked. I think it works. I was talking to Al from Gigi's. Shout out to Al. Thank you for hosting that party, being a great guy. He made some one-of-one merch for us as well. Just spectacular. And also thanks to the Dart and Michael David over there for the sound gear. Thank you guys again. If you need to rent some gear in L.A., Dart. Yeah, I'm sorry to the Dart family that we blew those speakers listening to My Bloody Valentine. Jason will take care of you on the back end for that. Oh, yeah. So I was talking to Al, and Mikey helped load in the gear while we were out of town. And so it's a bunch of kind of like duffel bags full of wires and cables and speakers. pelican cases with dj boot you know and he sees mikey walking towards him and he's like this i feel like i'm this is an active shooter he's got his you know his sniper rifle he's going to go on the roof and he's going to start picking off civilians uh and i think that's sort of the look that mikey's going for it is a tough look to pull off you know there are people who find active shooters hot and sexy you know the same people that want you know marry charles manson in jail and stuff like that so it's a niche market but if you can pull it off

I can only imagine the clunge is stupendous. No, no, I'm sure the payoff is gigantic. But yeah, it was a good party. I feel like I got hit by a truck still after our back-to-backs. It does feel great to be back in L.A. It's like a warm hug. It does, though, unfortunately feel like Florida outside. It's like humid, which is rare. It was a tropical storm kind of circling the Southland, which gave us some great... Magic Hour sunsets. I know. There were some beautiful sunsets, and I'm thanking God every day for that, Jason. Praise them, man. Praise them. But, yeah, it's nice to be back in the saddle. Yeah, and we have our tickets for our live shows up right now. We have two shows in L.A., two in New York. Special guests abound to be announced. We're going to have some heavy hitters. We already have some more brand sponsors, Oprah style. Gifts underneath the seats. It's going to be a great value. And if you work in creative marketing, it will be a write-off. Yeah, of course. Dig deep. Buy tickets for the whole family, for the whole office. Dig deep. I think this time around, we should pass around the offering plate, Baptist Church style. I just feel like we're not fully capitalizing. Merch is fun. You know what I mean? But I want... I want to do an – that's IRL Patreon. Well, what's the difference between Patreon and just passing around a cardboard box for people to put money in? I think we could actually – we could probably go to a church supply store and kind of get our own plates made. Okay. Oh, okay. Which could be an investment in our future but also kind of a nice thing to do just so people feel like they're not giving money to the homeless but they're giving money to kind of – two guys that are looking to profit. It's a little busking. It's a little religion-y. We need the religion element in order to get that tax break. That's right. We'll invent some type of app that's like Patreon, but for religious busking. Religious busking is a very cool... That's an emerging genre that we need to keep an eye on. This idea was birthed at Donda Studios. Yeah, this feels very Donda. I saw a classic vintage Instagram account post today.

uh you know kanye west wearing a d-badged carhartt hoodie from their archive yesterday at vogue world and i'm just like damn bro this guy was wearing a fucking car heart sweatshirt underneath a jacket but you guys still find a way to claim it and i appreciate that because you got to get the clout however you can you know what i mean are you sad that you miss vogue world i am i i honestly am i did stream it and it was lit actually um and i was i'm a little upset that oscar the grouch made a cameo before he came on how long gone he's one of my favorite characters of all time i didn't know that i love oscar the grouch yeah i don't know why i just think he obviously we have similar I mean, it makes perfect sense. It is kind of sitting right there, but I think this is the first I've heard of it. I know you're a Muppet head, but I didn't know you kind of swung grouchy. When it cut to Oscar, because look, watching Karlie Kloss Vogue with her arms is tough for me, but watching Oscar the Grouch enjoy himself as supermodels of your walk-by, that's entertainment. You like seeing Oscar on Chubb because you got to kind of see it. I've seen these ladies, but I've never smelled them is kind of what Oscar was thinking. Oscar the Grouch might have gotten him. He might have smashed Amber Valletta last night. We don't know. I didn't see who Elena Christensen left with, so she could have left with Oscar. You never know. You know what? Fuck it. Jason, we have a guest today, friend of the show, the front man and songwriter of the band The 1975. The new album, Being Funny in a Foreign Language, is coming out soon. And I believe he's in London, so it's nice and dark there. Perfect time for a little chit-chat before bed. Let's give Matty a jingle. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned.

They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is this is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you.

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headhunted a little bit because they knew that we had a show that was ready to go because we were just going to do it in Japan. I see, I see. Yeah, you guys fit in well. And over there in London, you guys are, I guess in England, you guys are able to do big-ass venues, right? It's kind of the same in America. We're doing MSG and stuff when we come out there. The thing with Reading and Leeds, it was a bit like... you know we were on our way out to japan to like headline some sonic that's like a really cool thing to do like super excited and japan it's like crazy so dope and we didn't realize how big we were out there so like when i got the phone call i've got my like my sunglasses on i'm like at the airport and like my airport's there and they're like hey rage you've pulled out do you want to do it and i'm like fuck yeah that's so cool but like you can just like get that offer i was like yeah exactly like i'm as good as red and i was like oh fuck and then you had a bit of a crisis for about a week yeah because if there's any other fucking band that i don't want like we would go into that show like you guys on the last episode talking about like live music like i also i struggle with live music it hurts my back but i'm willing to go and watch like a handful of bands and rage haven't played in like 10 years and me and george you know we'd probably say like rock undoing my fingers like in parentheses like probably like the great the coolest like rock band ever it's pretty interesting it's interesting that you say that because i completely disagree with you i'm not surprised i just find i just always if you grew up listening to like punk and hardcore rage against the machine was kind of accepted because zach de la roca was in like hardcore bands like pretty legendary ones But they were always, to me, kind of like, they were just like another radio rock band. They just happened to be heavy. No, but I come from Mission of Burma, right to spring. I'm there with you. Culturally, of course, you're minor threats and stuff like that. Hardcore was my thing. But what Rage did...

is what very few bands have done where they created and ended a genre at one time so they created rap rock and ended it like no one can do rap rock legitimately unless you the the second thing that actually kind of happened was limp biscuit which wasn't credible so like i guess corn got a bit close but not really yeah but it was He wasn't that. Yeah, Korn wasn't rapping. He was just going... He was doing a version of scatting, is what I would call that. But I guess you're right. I cannot imagine a rap rock band happen at all anymore. It burned too pure. And it had to die. And it was cool that we got to see it. You guys say that, but Korn and Evanescence, I believe, are selling out stadiums as we speak. Literally as we speak in America. In America, for sure. So you prefer Evanescence, Chris? Okay, look, don't come on my podcast and put words in my mouth. I would say that I don't prefer Evanescence, but I think it's easier to look at them as just this thing that exists because it doesn't have any ties to anything that I... respect or like listen to it's just like timeless i'll give them that let's do let's let's do um lame impossible content coolest rock band ever i'll go first velvet underground what what's lame about velvet underground no i said lame thing to do is list coolest rock band If we're doing it, I'll start and I'll say... Okay. I can't even say the name. That Japanese band. Or Velvet Underground. Coolest rock bands ever. You go. Chris go. I have to say Oasis. No. I only did that because you're British. I would actually say, I would have to say the Rolling Stones. I would have to say the Rolling Stones. I mean, like, I don't know. I don't know what else is in that category. Jason, don't say Apex Twin, bro. They don't play instruments.

i mean there's a zillion you know like you could have some like you were you were mentioning some hardcore bands like a like a japanese band like melt banana comes to mind as a cool thing yeah but also just like the doors are pretty yeah you know like jim morrison is sorry the thing with this to do like a stones anecdote because we opened up for them like years ago like 2013 like because obviously what we're talking about like cool like like aesthetic and cultural influence and stuff like that but what's also cool is like sentiment and like caring because like really like we're i think we're getting into an era now where like you know like sincerity and stuff you know that's fucking cool when we supported the stones obviously we were like supporting the stones so it was everything about it was so fucking cool and we were in the dressing room and then we could hear like the rumblings of the stones playing so we were like you know we had our ears to the wall and we were like listening to him it's like beast of burden so we're excited because we're like witness to the stones but then we realized like these guys have been in a band for 50 years and they're still rehearsing before they go on stage like that's so cool like to to care like that much to do that like after 50 years of just like you could be dialing it in oh yeah so stones is probably a good argument because jag is still like Guy's still fucking so cool. George, what's your band? If we weren't talking about Rage, I probably would have said Rage, but I guess The Clash is... I'll go with The Clash. I think Nirvana don't get a shout-out, but I think the fact that Dave Grohl doesn't get Nirvana means that Nirvana don't get to be in the... in the kind of group and what what do you mean he doesn't get nirvana if if dave growl if dave growl wasn't in nirvana they would be the coolest band in the world this i don't want to talk shit about dave growl because who doesn't love dave growl he's like the nicest guy he's so cool but it's like another clang i hear we opened up for queen but when they have like adam lambert and shit like that like we have hell yeah right right so we did that show and when i was there

there's this section of the show where like brian may did all this like space shit he was like we're going to fucking space and he's like on all the visuals like that and me and george were like freddie would have never let this shit happen you know i mean and there's like there's so much foo fighters shit that like kurt would just like have not fucked with you know what i mean of course but like because my me and phoebe always talk about the funniest lyric ever is my hero watch him as he goes well yeah because he sets it up it's like this huge anthem and he goes there goes my hero and you go okay what's he gonna go and he goes watch him and you go oh fuck what's he gonna do and he go as he as he goes It's like, what? I think that every single time I hear that song, and I think the lyrics have to be so rudimentary otherwise. Yeah, that's why it's so big. That's why it's so big. But that's what Oasis can do. Oasis managed on that second album to write some of the best songs of all time with lyrics. that literally mean nothing. They're completely subjective. I call that power. I call that power. That's how good you are. And no offense to the songwriters in the room, but paying attention to lyrics is something that I probably stopped doing in high school, to be honest with you. Unless it's aggressively bad or aggressively good, I think it's like, I wonder how many people are paying attention in today's world. Well, a lyric as bad as that Foo Fighters song. I pay attention to it. The annoying thing is, is that I kind of agree with you a little bit, but I like really try and care about my lyrics, but like, I do know what you mean. Like kind of. The form is just like... Something else to capture your attention before the lyric. Yeah, good point. Good point. Could be a nice little hi-hat pattern. Oh, yeah, yeah. Come on. It could be. That ride's coming in a little bit. I will say, Matty, your soy milk line did stick out to both Jason and I, so you've won the battle if we have to give an award. So, I mean, I guess... Soy boys. I'm talking out of my ass. Yeah, we talk about soy milk a lot because...

Jason's chick loves like it's like a nice treat from Starbucks. Yeah. And you know Jason's a big whole milk guy, so it kind of causes some divides in the household. It's tense in here right now. Well, so am I. Like, I'm a milk purist. I'm like, it's going to be milk. I want milk. You want a whole milk. I wasn't expecting that to be the end of the point. If I'm going to have milk, I want it whole. I want it all whole. I want my shit whole, you know? No Diet Coke. No, for real, I've got a full fat Coke right here, no cut Marlboro Reds. If you're going to do it, do it. Exactly. I'm here for a good time, not a long time, right? I appreciate that. Let's just do it. I appreciate that. You remind me of Jason in that way, but have you ever ordered a glass of milk in a restaurant to go with your dessert? Well, we used to have this thing that if you found... I knew you were about to say this. I was about to remind you of the milk thing. Well, we used to see this thing when we were on tour when we were like 19. Remember, we'd be in the back. 20 years so like when's this like 2007 if you found a barmaid like hot and you you you were the first one to say she was hot you had to go over to the bar and ask for a milk like to her okay so your order had to just be can i have a milk and she'll be like um okay and then she gets you a milk and then you have to neck the you have to down it whilst making eye contact And then you can like start like trying to make a move. Okay. So that was the milk bit that we had for a while. And if she says no, that she doesn't have milk, then you say, I'll just have an eggs. Yeah, that was right. You just had to ask for eggs and then see how that works. But it works better in the UK because you guys have weird food stuff in America. I went to a strip club once and you could get chicken. That's actually part of my Southern culture is that the hot wings at the strip club are usually better than the strippers. You know what I mean? That's kind of... Were you hoping for a bowl of beans? Yeah. What did you want? There's spots that are like strip clubs that you go for the food. Yeah. Are you familiar with Magic City in Atlanta? It's the most famous, maybe the most famous strip club in the world. Right.

I haven't been, but I know it. But it's like, if you go there, I mean, I went there too early once because I obviously need to be home by midnight to go to sleep. And you see, like, not only the patrons enjoying the hot wings, but the strippers themselves eating before they kind of go out to perform. Which is hot in itself. Yeah, some people, yeah, like she was smoking a blunt and eating hot wings before her shift. Fucking A. Yeah, man. It's my kind of woman. I'm hard as a rock. When you're in Atlanta, somebody will definitely take you. It's a legendary spot. I love that place. Do you guys have strip clubs in the UK? Yeah, but it's very depressing. It's not like, it's like, imagine it. Just imagine it. That's what it's like. I got it. People go there not for fun, but they have to go there. Well, there's an element of like, there's quite a celebration of the mundane in a lot of british culture like even our band like dismissed you know i mean like so like there's and now i think that millennials have like embraced places like blackpool and margate which are these like forgotten kind of seaside towns in a pseudo kind of ironic hipster way so like there's like bits of soho that are like still a little bit seedy and like the strip clubs there and i suppose that's kind of like cool but we don't have the the strip club culture like you guys have it's like sitting on the slots chain smoking cigarettes in vegas like it's not cool it's not by me it's sad yeah it's sad that's too bad well thank god you get to come to america we have so much great stuff here guys we fucking love america well no i describe you guys all the time because i feel like anybody that i talked to in the 1975 about they either are a die hard fan or they like sort of don't know about you yeah exactly i find that to be really insane considering how big it is like overall like globally but is that just is that something you guys encounter as well or is it just my 40 year old male friends no no the biggest band in the world that nobody's ever heard of yeah that's who we are well i think it's because we have this like we kind of have i suppose we're just like a big cult band but we're only cult in the way that like

we fill these arenas, but we fill them with fans. Like we don't have radio hits. We don't have, we kind of came from that kind of like Tumblr era where like music and aesthetic and the internet was all like really intertwining. And I think that what's interesting about us is that like after Arctic Monkeys, even though they're still badass and they're still going, bands like kind of died, like white guys with guitars changing culture. kind of died you know and um and we didn't and it's always begged the question like why do people still care about us or why are we still interested and i think it's just that like if you subtract us away from just the preconception of what a band is and put us next to you know lana or taylor or kendrick or frank or someone like that not i'm not even i wouldn't put myself in the same league as as kendrick and frank but i'm just saying like if you put us in with those kind of artists no one's no one's confused as to why someone is excited for their their next record you know what i mean because like they come from a different cultural form really like this new emerging solo artist thing so i don't know it's weird being in a band in 2022 and being relevant yeah i know it kills me every day as the guy who's hanging on with to dear life yeah i think in 2022 people are like why is this band be like why do i know about this band did they have a viral tiktok song where they speed it up and yeah yeah what is the reason and when you have a band like your guy like you guys like the reason was we've been playing for a long time and we have really devoted fans, and we've slowly built our base up over two decades, and now here we are at the top, and we got to do it our own way. Yeah, it's full of heads, right? I mean, but that's the thing. It's just scaled, because it's been relative the whole time. When we were playing shows to 100 people, 50 people would wait at the back door, one of which had a fucking...

1975 throat tattooed you know what i mean so it's like it was that level of intensity at the beginning and then that just scaled into like this big whole thing and also i mean you guys just have i mean british culture rewards guys with guitars more than ours does too i mean in our in our you know in my lifetime like all all the bands would have to go there first to get big and then come back that was like the whole thing you know you would get the you'd get the enemy cover and then you'd come back and you could finally do something in america um we just we just don't care in the same way we just don't you had to get certified and verified yeah and like i don't know bands are bands are weird i can't think of that many examples of like great bands of the past like 15 years you know i mean there's like there's us there's like Well, no, there's good bands, but it's like, I mean, like big bands. Pretty much just us. Pretty much just us. But it's also like, it's like going back to the Rolling Stones. It's like going back to the Rolling Stones, going to America and then selling American music back to Americans as a British thing. Because it was like glamorous or it was exotic because they were British or something. Yeah, I agree. We're very inspired by America. I think that's kind of why we have done all right in America because we're very very in touch with like that culture like you've got to think because you don't know what it's like being English how like big America is as a concept because I know like we're like the imperialists and we like do all the serious shit or whatever but like Jurassic Park and Disney and Michael Jackson and Macaulay Culkin and like Jordans and shit like that like when you're a kid That's the biggest stuff in the world. So when we go to New York or L.A. still, it's like a character in a movie itself. I like that you said all those big things that America exported to the world. Those are all things that as a kid were amazing. But maybe when you're an adult, not so much anymore. And then you have to move to London and do old people things, maybe. I mean, I have a tough time in the reverse because, you know, sometimes.

With this queen stuff, you know, I'm looking for my gossip on the Daily Mail, and it's talking about all these people I've never heard of, you know what I mean? Right. I'm a little confused, all these royals. I don't know the names. I don't know the titles. We've all been inconvenienced by her death, Chris. Yeah, exactly. I'm suffering from success. I'm suffering from success over here. I can't read my little stuff, you know. Do you like L.A.? Yeah, I mean, it's the most boring city in the world, but it's, like, nice as hell every single day. It feels like it's mocking me when I'm there because it's, like, if you're from, like, Mac or where we're from, Wilmsville or Mac or, like, around that kind of area. of manchester if it's like gray and you feel like shit you're like yeah but like when you're in la and you feel like shit it's like oh well i don't the weather's like i'm i actually feel fine and like everything's cool and it's kind of a bit like getting getting like beaten up by like niceness there's that sean rider quote as well like um it's like 60 suburbs in search of a city you know it's like there's no mid there's no um middle So you never know where to live because it's like you're not really close to anything. It's like, what do you want to be close to? The fucking Beverly Center. You know what I mean? That's actually – thank you. Thank you for some West Hollywood representation. I can't see it from my house, but I could walk there if I had to. I absolutely had to. I fuck with West Hollywood. It's where business happens. The thing is also because me and George lived in East London, so we get a lot of East anyway. I don't need like – silver lake in my life that's right bro me neither fuck silver lake no i mean i think la la is really interesting i mean jason's from here more or less so it's like he has a very different perspective than i do but like if i wasn't able to go back to new york you know and kind of tap in and like see people and the stuff i need to see to feel good it would be much more difficult but like right if you're sober and you want to exercise every day there's nowhere in the world better than this and that's kind of what i have to prioritize you know george you love la right

i i just feel like everything it's like the height of convenience everything and anything you could possibly want is there do we have an equivalent of era one in london no no mate we don't know i know not in quality but we have whole food and by the way i don't know if this is like a myth amongst like guys like us but Is it true that Erewhon is actually nowhere backwards? Because if it is... No, it doesn't spell. Okay, because I was going to kill myself live on the podcast if that was the truth. There was sort of a wives' tale that it was sort of derived from nowhere backwards. I mean, it makes sense. I wouldn't put it past Erewhon. You guys love the supermarket mythology. Yeah, it's better than the Sainsbury local for a tuna sandwich and a green apple. Yeah, how could Tesco boys come for us? That's crazy. You can fucking have your Tesco. Have you ever been to Waitrose, though? Have you ever been to Waitrose? George is like, I'm rich, bro. I don't go to Tesco. Yes, I know M&S. I've been to M&S, of course. M&S and Waitrose, good. Waitrose is arguably the best supermarket in the world. I don't know. Wait, listen, bro, bro. M&S is mid. Waitrose is paying, to be fair. Waitrose is good. But the thing is, in America, you've got, obviously you've got Whole Foods, you've got Ralph's, you've got Trader Joe's, you've got like... And the thing is, if you go outside of Manchester or London in the UK... you might die no i remember a lot i remember one of the first times i was in london and i discovered the soho is it is this is the whole foods in soho i can't remember where it is but i just remember now there's a bunch oh there are okay okay i remember just being like damn this felt like a warm hug and it was it was even a shitty version of course but i like i'll take it there's one in there's one in camden which is on which is in like camden is just not where you want to be but somehow there's a whole foods there and if you were at that one what you just said makes perfect sense because that's a fucking bleak place to be and the solace of a whole foods is pretty yeah i love that you guys love la and jason i love london because jason just went for the first time actually and had a blast oh yeah oh yeah i loved it yeah it was it was amazing i might even

Try to stay there for a couple months next year or something. Did you hit the good weather? I had amazing weather for the week we were there. It was warm, no rain. Whereabouts were you? I secured him a table at Sexy Fish. Oh, okay. I don't want to boast. I was in shortage, but we kind of went all over every single day. That's pretty close to me. Yeah, it's pretty close to George. I love London. It's like New York, but I have space. Like you said, We have nice summers here, and London's kind of perfect for us. But I like working in L.A. because stuff gets done. If you watch shooting music videos... Yeah, well, we don't stand around drinking pints on the street all day. We're having CBD gummies and microdosing mushrooms and getting those presentations done. Yeah, everybody's high driving their G-Wagon to their MacBook to make a deck. It's sick over here, bro. We're killing it, L.A. So you guys... You had a bad time in Italy this summer, I take it. I wanted to ask you about that. Sure. I've got the intel. I've seen some of your vacations on Instagram as well. I'm going to guess they're a little bit nicer than ours, so why don't you just watch yourself? No reason for that, but you guys were moaning about Italian food. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Well, George, living in Los Angeles, my palate is so advanced that... the kind of regional foods of Sicily and parts of Florence just don't cut it for me. There's that great bit. Well, there's that bit in the Sopranos where they like, you know, it's all about food, the whole thing. And then they go to Italy and he comes back. He's like, what's the food like? He's like, it was all right. Exactly. I mean, like, you know, like America, America, America has the best. Australia, as much as, you know, I don't want, I don't like spending too much time in Australia because it's so disconnected, but the food in America. And the food in Australia is the best, I've got to say. You guys have got the best variation of stuff. I had brilliant Italian food that was also cheap. And last time I had Italian-American food, I woke up at 4 a.m. and threw up in the middle of the night because it was so rich. That was La Bucca, right? No, it was Carbone in New York. All right. First problem is you're at Carbone.

No, carbone is delicious, but it is rich. It sits in you. It's crazy. It's like eating a fucking anvil. Well, I mean, obviously there's amazing Italian food in Italy, but for me, it was harder to find consistently than in America, and I know that sounds asinine. No, no, no. You are actually right. I just wanted to tease you guys because I hate this. listen to the podcast no two's away i saw that you i know george i know you went on a holiday did maddie did you get to take a holiday this year or were you just no no are you a holiday guy no i'm not no i'm not i'm not dude i'm really not i'm not like a because i do the same thing when i'm there and then sometimes it's like well i can't have all the stuff that i want and to be honest with you i like you know i think i use work maybe as an excuse a little bit to like always be like in in one place but um my whole thing was like we were on tour for 10 years so my whole like uh thing that i would say is like a holiday for me is where i don't have a suitcase you know it would be like somewhere that's like so but so it kind of is that like because i just after 10 years about living out of a suitcase it's a bit like but i do like a nice hotel like the mandarin oriental in prague man I fucking love that hotel so much. Shout out to that place. Shout out to the Mandarin Oriental. You guys rock. I like a nice hotel as well. And I think that is a vacation in itself. And I think that makes, you know, we did our little tour. We probably, you know, made a little less money because we weren't going to stay on the holiday end. But it also wasn't the Mandarin Oriental. We're landing somewhere in between. So I'm glad to kind of get this aspirational. Well, they've been touring longer than we have, Chris. So we got to start somewhere. We'll get there. We'll get there. Are you doing any shows in the UK? We probably will next year. We actually, like London is probably our second biggest market for whatever reason. So we'll do some live shows out there next year. If you guys want to open for us, let us know. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool people in London. That makes sense. You guys kind of like the air.

The Joe Rogan for dudes who have like archive Margiela and Buffalo 66 on DVD. Honestly, you're being very nice. You're being very nice. You're being very nice. I was looking at my own copy, which made me realize I was a douche. But, yeah, no, it makes sense that people in London fuck with you guys. We love Pod. Yeah, people like to use us as, like, what's going on in America, what's going on in L.A., and we found that the more hyper-specific and regional we are about mentioning things that, you know, like you just mentioned Ralph's, and I love that you know what Ralph's supermarket is. Do you want me to do, like, a kind of pretentious, like... uh link to like lyrics in regards to the point what you made this is kind of like please no i would like that i would i totally maybe at the end of the show because what you're talking about is that like i find like i don't know like you guys like you're like cool guys kind of like relatability like i think like it's being like relatable and like you just said like i think probably the times when i've written lyrics that i've thought this is way too specific or like way too personal to me those are the ones that like you know are the tattoos or are the ones that like really resonate with everybody so it's probably a similar experience with you guys like when you think about you when you think that you're like being too deep in it that that's what really resonates you know because um it's just interesting to because I know what it's fucking like being there. If you know what that reference is, then you have an instant bond with that person where you're like, oh, we understand this very niche thing. And if you don't know what it is, then you do the work to research it and find out what that means, find out what that is, and then you have a sense of ownership over it because you worked hard to find out. And it's all about feeling personally addressed, isn't it? Like if we're talking about like art, which I think any of this shit that we're all doing kind of is. We're both artists. Yeah, 100%. We're all artists. It's cool. It's chill. We're all artists. Just some artists talking to each other. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Just hanging out. Lyrics that feel super current, I think it's cool. Like I think that's fun and like a smart thing to do. And I think there's a lot of people that try.

consciously to be like i want this to be timeless you know and i think that's a much harder mental approach to something than just being like that's a thing that's a tightrope though because my example is always like remember when katie perry said like epic fail and um in that song like it like stands out it's like if somebody said like yeah you do want people to be like current but you don't want someone to say like iPhone. You don't want it to be like, I called you on my iPhone 7S and you're like, oh, that didn't age well. Yeah, exactly. But then again, if Drake did that, it would be kind of good. I mean, I say this all the time. I think Drake and Phoebe are probably the best at using the internet and that makes them even more relevant than they would be based solely on the music. They're so good at it. They're so good at it. 100%. 100%. Yeah. I totally agree. Well, do you guys try to have your lyrics be timeless? Is that something that you consider? I mean, it's something I think about a lot when I'm reading a book where you're like, oh, that line was terribly outdated and that did not age well at all. I think it's a little more lenient with lyrics, perhaps, than a book. But is that something you guys try to... consider like oh what will people think when they hear this 20 years from now well not really because i don't like remember we started when we were like 13 so to go back to before i i was in a we were in a band would i'd be 12 so i wasn't a person so it's like i have i haven't journaled but i've essentially like journaled really like and my my lyrics have never been and they've always been like pretty personal i've never really thought about the the reception of them or what you know i've just kind of done them so um so yeah i i don't really know i don't really know about the timelessness i've always been aware of like um well we have this one song love it if we made it that was like very topical and i think that i'm not very inspired by like writers like literature like i'm inspired by mike skinner from the streets and kind of like comics

like not calling myself a comic but like like i like shit that has like no fat on it like like a good joke like you know like i'm more inspired by like norm mcdonald than i am fucking told story yes gov or you know amen brother amen i like i like stuff with no fat on it max skinner is the one man that jason and i like have bonded over that for years and there's like i i just don't That era was so cool, and he's, in my book, the only white rapper I've ever accepted. Right. 100%. 100%. How long did it take that album to get to America and for people to understand it? Because of Vice magazine, it was almost instantaneous. Instant. And people, like, got it? New York. New York and L.A. I remember, actually, I was in the Vice office in Williamsburg, and he came in. to the office to visit. And he was just dripped out in all the crazy like surface to air rings and the necklaces. And he had like the Reeboks on because he was like the face of Reebok at the time. And the guy's like five foot five. You know what I mean? But he's just really, it was like, you just, he has the thing, you know, he has this je ne sais quoi. He has the swag. And I think we understood like, like we were talking about before with understanding lyrics and specific niche references. so much of what he was saying like we sort of knew what he was talking about like when we were you know a teenager or whatever however when that album came out and you'd be like she's fit but my god don't she just know it yeah as as an american in orange county you're like i know those words i think i know what that means but i don't and yeah you know it was fun to try to figure out that slang and And that's why everyone who had a brain just loved it. There was just nothing like that. It was an untouchable record. It's so jarring, like, sonically. There's just nothing I'd ever... You have to pay attention to it, whether you like it or not. And it still sounds like... Same with the first Boy in the Corner, Dizzy Rascal. If either of those records came out now, they'd still sound fresh to anything else. Our love... And burial. And burial.

True. Chris, you love burial? I don't love... Like I said, Chris likes the Lemonheads and Wilco. You guys can have burial. I'm fine with it. I'm glad it exists. I'm glad it makes Jason happy. George, it sounds like it makes you happy, but I'm all set. For a guy who does not have three kids and a Volvo, your music taste is on. Man, fuck y'all. Fuck y'all. No, well, me and George, like, Fortet and kind of Burial are kind of the... That's all I fucking listen to. That's all you listen to. Jason, are you on Fortet's, like, 15,000-year playlist that you do? Yeah, the one on Spotify with all those weird emojis and stuff like that? Yeah, it's amazing. I've heard some Fortet Burial-style drum programming on a couple. of your songs as well and and it seems like you paid homage very well to it oh thanks yeah i hope so as i feel like it's always been pretty subtle it was subtle but i i saw it but like the british music chris loves the jangly guitar 90s kind of happy blah blah blah you like the heroin stuff I love the gloomy side of London. Burial, Joy Division, all that shit. It's dreary. I don't want to be changed. I want to enjoy this. I want to float in this gray. It's that celebration of the mundane. It's like a real kind of... like the like disorder by joy division in particular is like so like it's beautiful because it's always it's always kind of like beautiful like but like you're talking about my bloody valentine similar kind of thing it's like drowning pop songs you know like they're dying like i think that's why glasgow has so much amazing fuck yeah because it's just fucking miserable no i think some of that stuff i mean i think some of that stuff really sounds like where it's from the way the beach boys sound like they're from california you know what i mean it's just like it really it really sounds like where it's from and when you're when you can't really relate but that's like almost better i think in some ways i think we actually struggled with that a bit initially because we were like oh we don't sound like a british band does this mean i don't know i i remember being like

18 and being like, oh, what do we sound like? Because we don't sound like we're from a rainy suburb in Manchester. It's disconcerting. I was like, well, I'll just do like a Dick Van Dyke impression over our kind of like kind of talking headsy attempt first album or whatever it was and make sure that people know that we're British. I'll just rip all the baselines off Tango in the Night. But that happens with Paul. All like amazing art, like most art is like really quite obviously, it's quite obvious where it comes from. Like if you look at like what Hockney was painting before he went to LA and then after he went to LA, or if you look at like Robert Irwin. He's from Macclesfield, right? Yeah, I think he's from Macclesfield or Burberry or somewhere like that. But if you look at like Robert Irwin's like art, like it's like the light in Los Angeles has so much like... momentum to it so you like you talk about like the beach boys it's like it's like there's like this up and go kind of like and if you look at like Tadoando in Japan like it's very obviously Japanese or you guys were talking about like someone like Dita Rams or like you know like very Germanic things like most art that is like really incredible normally is is representative of like the kind of formal traditions of where it's where it's where it's from or the things that it needs to be because of where it's from it's true do you think the internet ruined that i can't talk shit on the internet because i love it too much i don't know if the internet i think that the internet it's not necessarily a bad thing i just think that the internet dissolved subculture and made subculture an individual thing so like people like the strokes are like the last band to like change how people dress like so people don't dress like groups of people anymore people like dress like individuals and people don't associate which is why i don't think there's going to be another huge band because there's no incentivization of like let's bind together as a unit and become bigger than ourselves because what we're incentivized to do is have an individualized um what would you call it i don't know i get you personal brand yeah basically a personal brand yeah and it's very difficult to do that and i think that that's why i hate

it when people say like oh i don't care because that's like something that somebody who cares says but like with the internet we've always been able to have like with the internet with us it's this is what we did we do and with the internet with like young people like young individuals it's this is who i am and that's a very big different psychological kind of game to be in like if you give like a young person that platform the endemic of anxiety is kind of predictable. Do you know what I mean? Because even when we were texting, it was still like one-on-one. Do you remember when everyone was like, oh, texting is going to fuck shit up or whatever. We had like a moral outrage about texting and it was still one person. When things got bad was where you let a 14 year old girl put something out into the world about themselves and then wait for a response. Like, Not just a girl, but I'm just saying if you actually look at the statistics of mental health and social media and how profoundly it has affected people. It's fucking crazy, isn't it? But then also, to make a less serious point, everyone wants to not be on social media because it's cooler. But not being on social media is kind of a form of being on social media. I mean, it's like when people announce that they're taking a break. Like, you don't need to announce you're taking... Performative. Yeah, it's like you don't... But, I mean, you guys are both on Instagram pretty regularly. Yeah, I'm pretty bad. I'm pretty bad at it. Matt is very on Instagram. I dabble. I have, like, periods where I'm on it, and then I'll have a long period where I'm not on it. But I'm there. I'm checking it. I'm around. My issue with it is that it doesn't make me feel anything negative. I don't feel jealousy. I look at it purely as entertainment or even for Twitter, my true passion is basically information gathering and jokes. I don't think about these things that much more than that. Maybe it's my age or maybe it's just I'm a psychopath, but it doesn't have any negative. I mean, I should be on it less, I guess, because that's what people say. But I just don't.

Know if it affects everyone as negatively as we think it does, depending on their mindset. Depending on how much of your dead inside as well. How black-pilled you are. For sure. How callous are you? I just feel like because we've been able to do it since we were 13, I'm just constantly in the pursuit of the feeling that sick music gives me and the feeling that funny gives me. So that's all I really care about. And the internet. and being in the 1975 is that the perfect combination so like once i once like we decided culture culturally we kind of made an agreement that like counseling isn't actually a thing like there's being a criminal and everyone knowing about it and everyone being on twitter so everyone talking about it which is one thing but like you know it doesn't really exist and i think i'm at a point now where like being funny or like subject matter like it's either all okay or nothing's okay and we can't we can't be like with nothing's okay you know and i think that like i don't know i don't want to you can't like say oh my work is funny but like i at least like that there's humor in your lyrics for sure well that's that's where the truth is is in humor right so like that's kind of what i'm in pursuit of so all i do is just like say kind of inappropriate stuff on the internet and then to write songs. But that's my relationship with the internet. Yeah, I mean, that's something, like, we talk about this with our podcast, like, neither of us are comedians and would never call ourselves comedians, but what we're doing is expressing that side of ourselves with a podcast, and you would never call yourself a comedian, but you're able to be funny in your lyrics. So it's great that you're able to have an outlet for this comedy that's not just, I'm doing stand-up. Or I'm doing a very special hour with Eddie Izzard or whatever. You guys are friends with John Mayer, right? Very close friends. Very close friends. We actually saw Mayer recently and were able to have a chit-chat. But yeah, I mean, I consider him a friend. I think he would say the same. Very funny guy. Yeah, I met him. He was very, very nice. He put me in an awkward situation because when I met him, he was like, you're the 1975. I was like, yeah, he was like...

you guys are fucking hilarious. And I was like, didn't have anything funny to say. Like, I didn't want to be revered. So, um, but yeah, no, he's, but I was saying that because like, does he do, does he do stand up? Have you seen it? Is it good? He has, he, the whole thing about mayor is that yes, he has done it, but his, the reason people know that he's funny is he had this weird pilot on VH1. in like the aughts like the mid aughts where it was like him doing funny stuff and it was really good and it's kind of like right it never came out or like it never continued but it started from there and then but we've heard i've heard multiple anecdotal stories about him doing things that are that are stand-up or like funny in like different situations um but i think the real thing with him is he's just very very smart um and i think he can he could probably do kind of whatever he wants to do at a pretty high level at this point his brain is working over time yeah and think about getting them think about getting big at like that time because like the amount of records that they would set like room for squares is that the record yeah it's crazy yeah i mean imagine like think about like what that was like he's like a watch guy right yeah That's why he has so much money that he's a watch guy. That's the final frontier of money. But I think it's also like when you walk around with someone that famous, it's like pretty wild. Like the feeling in the room of someone like that, even if it's at Sunset Tower where there's all these celebrities around or whatever. We walk through the lobby with him, and it's just like every single person knows who he is. Wow, that's funny. Every single one. I bet that he could walk through central Manchester and not one fucking person would know who he is. No, for sure. Absolutely. It's mad. Same with Dave Matthews. Honestly, there's probably about nine people in the UK that have heard of the Dave Matthews band, whereas in America, I know how massive they are. It's so funny. And the weirdest one is Bush, because Bush were big in America, right?

Huge. And they were, like, English. Are they English? No, no, he's English, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they were not big in the UK. No, he used to date someone. Yeah, yeah, he was married to Gwen Stefani. He was married to Gwen Stefani. Great tennis player. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, so hot. That's, like, what he does now, I think, with his time. Oh, yeah, you guys are big tennis guys, aren't you? Yeah, I mean, I need to confront you guys about something, or just ask, because... You've listened to this podcast. You probably know that I'm a Jack Antonoff skeptic. Right. But what I've heard from your album is very good. And is it possible that the 1975 is bringing Antonoff back? What was your experience with him? What did you do? What did you do to kind of get... To coerce a gold out of Jack? Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Because I think sometimes it's like the who saved who with the dog and the owner. I think this might be one of kind of those situations. God, well, I mean, to be honest with you, like I've not really been involved. I haven't kind of kept up on like kind of culture worry, Twittery, that kind of thing. And I like those Lana records because I'm like a big Lana fan. So I've always, we've played shows with Bleachers over the years. So like Jack Antonoff for me was... was always just a guy that I knew as a good producer. I wasn't really in on the huge debate around him as a cultural figure. Honestly, the first thing you should do is get him on the pod because Jack is the man. He's fucking funny. He's fucking funny, man. He's funny and he's smart. I think that one of the things that I keep saying, which is that people think that he's really busy and he's out there, But he's just like, I think as a producer, he's really good. Now, I can't answer any questions about like why anything happened. I mean, we'd written a record and we'd thought, OK, well, we have these songs and we just made friends with Jack. So me and George were like, well, a new energy in the room with a guy who's a fucking great producer who's full of cultural references, who's excited and is our friend.

it was kind of perfect. And I was, no, I'm just saying that. And also like, who gives a fuck about like, like, like not like what you guys think. I'm just saying like, like my whole thing is I'm just saying like, talk to some fucking music journalist about music for half an hour and then go and talk to Jack about music for half an hour and see which conversation leaves you feeling more inspired. Do you know what I mean? Because like the guy knows his fucking shit. And I think that we know our shit and it was, It wasn't an artist and a producer. It was three producers, really. And he could just do a tradition. It was just three people not even thinking about what their roles were and just, like, perfectly making something. And also, like, we met Jack. We thought he was fucking great and really funny and inspiring. And when we'd met him, me and Matty were creatively in a slightly difficult place. two years into lockdown and we'd been trying to make a record and figure out exactly what it was on our own for a year and a half well with the help of various friends and other people trying trying loads of different things and he it's kind of as simple as like we met him we really liked him and he made us both feel confident And we were both not in a good place with our confidence because we felt like we'd exhausted everything we'd kind of always wanted to do on a record for quite a long time. And yeah, it was as simple as like, it was exciting. Chris, maybe you're not ready for Jack to make you feel confident yet. And that's something that you have to work on yourself. I think that's possible. I mean, I think that I'm going to accept this challenge because I, you know, I think we could get getting to Jack is not out of the realm of possibility for us. So maybe it's time to squash the beef and just have him on the show and really get into it. Knowing Chris and knowing Jack, what do you think? I always think that people might.

you know, be, uh, have negative feelings about somebody because of their, they have something very similar about them. What do you think it is that Chris is experiencing that they're so similar? I've got no, I've got no idea, but I know that you guys would, would get on because you're, because you're, you have opinions and the, what an interesting person is defined by not being able to like. predict what their opinion is on one subject by what their opinion is on another and that's what like great people are like and that's what jack's like and if you want and you know and jack's like and also to be like me or to be even like taylor but especially to be jack and like still be doing it like you need to be self-aware like jack knows like jack knows like what people, you know, like Jack knows what he's fucking doing, right? And he knows what's up. No, I mean, clearly, I mean, Jack is one of the most legendary stick men of all time. And that's something that can never take away from him. That's something that could never take away from him. And I don't know if you guys were in emo, but Jack was in Steel Train. So like, I won't have shit. Oh yes, I'm familiar. I won't have shit spoken about that. You know? Okay. No, no. I'm very familiar with Steel Train because I come from that background as well. So I was around for that, for sure. That's what it is. We're getting to the root of this, Chris. Yeah, that's... We had the breakthrough. I knew it was going to be emo-related. It's always emo-related for me. I think this is a good place for us to stop this week, Chris. Thank you so much for coming. I'll cash up you $250 for the hour. jason i appreciate your time thank you that's fucking cheap when do you when do you guys come here like the end of november is it like the 25th or something like that we're playing it yes around thanksgiving around playing in the forum i've never been to the forum actually i just went to the football stadium to see the weekend and it blew my fucking mind how many people were there that tour it was staggering it was a staggering yeah you hold on you went you went you went to a football

You went to a football stadium, and the thing that blew your mind was how many people were there? That's right. Only because he was performing completely alone. There's no band on stage. There's no one. There's some dancers that stand around, but it's literally him alone. Is that right? A stage the size of a football pitch and just one guy. Okay, that's crazy. Yeah, just singing. He doesn't dance. You know, he doesn't do shit. He just sings. It looks incredible from the things I've seen. I also saw a video of him losing his voice, and it was fucking brutal. That was the next night. Like, I saw him. He did two nights. What'd you do, Chris? I mean, I didn't do it. I had nothing. No, the forum show will be great, guys. The last time I was there, I saw Drake. So, you know, heavy hitter after heavy hitter. Drake's the best. Drake's the best. Deuce is the best. Deuce is the best. our new record is like kind of like 45 minutes and it's it's it's kind of conceptually it's very much like a new thing and we we're kind of like reimagining a lot of the old stuff in the in the style of the new stuff we're trying to turn turn a back our back on a lot of the stuff we've done live before kind of because we're seeing a lot of other people do it not saying like oh we're super influential but like this whole like using video as a light source silhouette thing is like getting too much like so we don't want to do that anymore so and and i think that we're going to be doing a bunch of festivals so we want to like serve two purposes like we want to have like a festival show that's like full like you know out like rock and roll greatest hits like smash it out but and then maybe at the headline show kind of be able to you know expect not expect but you know like you know a kind of that may have a bit more attention from the crowd so we can do things that are a bit more for the deep heads and shit like that. That makes sense. All right, guys. Well, we'll see you at the fucking forum then, I guess. Yeah, sick. That'll be so fun. Yeah, maybe you guys should do a DJ set after or something like that. Do you guys ever DJ? George does.

George says. We had an after party after Reading show and it was kind of like my maiden voyage. But I got Dexter in lockdown. Okay. So I've made sort of like, I don't know, I've kind of made house music since I was about 15 in variously tragic forms. Starting to get all right. And yeah, my DJing skills is so terrible that I actually panicked during the day. And I was like, there's going to be too many people that I want to hang out with. I'm not going to be able to DJ. So I just made it to our mix. And then we were just behind the decks, just doing all it. fucking real-time effects and tap-tempoing the shit and looking like we knew what we were doing, but it was really fun. I think that's what most people do now, so you're fine. October 14th. New 1975, wherever you buy albums. Hit the local Virgin Music. You already know. Thank you guys for doing this. We appreciate it. It was great. Yeah, this is great, guys. Oh, no, dude. We wanted to come on. We wanted to come on. Thanks for having us, man. God bless. And we'll figure out. Yeah, we'll come see you guys and we'll hang at the forum. Yeah, let's go Erewhon. My treat. My treat. Open your smoothie. We'll take the Tesla to Erewhon. You can take us to some fine Italian-Americans. We'll hit Medeo. No problem. We'll hit Medeo. See you guys later. Thank you. See, I reckon you're about an eight or a nine. Maybe even nine and a half in four beers time. That blue top top you've got on is nice. Bit too much fake tan, no, but yeah, you score high. But there's just one little thing that's really, really, really, really annoying me about you, you see. Yeah, yeah, like I said, you are really fit. But my gosh, don't you just know it. I'm not trying to fool you. I would like to.