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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. How long gone is here? It is I, me, Chris Black. You're back in L.A., right? I'm freezing. What's up? Oh, baby. As I jogged down Melrose today, I saw a beautiful picture of Harry Styles above the Gucci store on Melrose Place, and I knew I was home. Grammy-nominated artist Harry Styles. Grammy-nominated artist Harold Stylish. But yeah, we've gotten some requests because the Grammy nominations came out just this morning, and we should go through that quickly before we talk to our guests who are also in the music business. So, you know, I don't know where to start exactly, but I guess I'll start where the New York Times started, and that's with Record of the Year. So we've got, you know, ABBA, Adele, Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, Brandi Carlile featuring Lucius, Doja Cat, Steve Lacey, Kendrick Lamar, Lizzo, and Harold Stylish. So this is album, this is Record of the Year. Record of the Year. None of this really tickles my fancy too much. I mean, nothing's worse than Kendrick Lamar, Lizzo. Brandi Karloff featuring Lucius, not really my bag. Mary J. Blige is dusty. Break My Soul by Beyonce did grow in me. um abba i've never heard the song adele i love but i have to give it to our dog steve lacy i hate to say it bad habit might be the best song on the list yeah so it's confusing when they call it record of the year and not album or single right i guess they're trying to yeah preserve that kind of old speak whatever so yeah i i would agree with you it's got to be steve lacy it's the only song out of this bunch that

had like a good story behind it. It debuted at number 100 and slowly rose thanks to our friends over at TikTok. You guys over there in China rock. Don't do anything with my special data, please. And it's also like you hear the song come on and it is an odd funky groove. That is not normal for 2022. it's actual music with guitars and drums and it's weird and artsy and It's also the catchiest song of the year. It is what it is. Yeah, when I describe you, I like to say funky and weird as well. It sounds like you're describing a wine, but you're actually describing Steve Lacey. But album of the year, more of the same, except we got Bad Bunny in the motherfucking mix. You already know. And although I don't listen to Bad Bunny, his status in the world is so large that I feel like he deserves it just for that. Coldplay made it on here. That feels like a psyop in 2022. Coldplay literally makes music that's not even good enough for elevators at this stage. But they used to be so sick. They used to be so sick. I guess sick is not the word for it, but it was a big guilty pleasure at Coldplay. I mean, we got the songwriter stuff, too. We don't want to get into that here. There's too many names on these things. Yeah, it's the same shit as Instagram when your dumb little friend does a little photo shoot and they have to list. And here's the tag. Here's the Instagram at of my friend's mom who waited in the car while her son did the PA work. They list everyone except for the model. That's what's wrong with this world. And same thing for the fucking Grammys. It's like, okay, so God is nominated for the song of the year for DJ Khaled, which he didn't do anything on it, obviously, ever. No, that's not true. Khaled Khaled is listed. So God did. which is a great song by Tariq Azuz, E. Blackmon, Khaled Khaled, F. LeBlanc, Sean Carter, John Stevens, Dwayne Carter, William Roberts, Nicholas Warmore, DJ Khaled, Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, John Legend, and Friday with two Ys. What the flying fuck? I mean, that's what it takes. That's a ton of metal to make that Grammy for every one of those people. The thing about looking at this songwriter's list is I think Bonnie Raitt should win because guess how many names are on her song?

Just one, Bonnie Raitt. That's right. So let's just give it to her. Off rip, Bonnie Raitt should win for having only one credit, her own name. Now, but Best New Artist is where we're going to have to get into it, Jason, because we got your girl Anita. Anita? Another Spanish-language superstar, known hottie and bottom for Frank Ocean, Omar Apollo. Dami and J.D. Beck, never heard of them. Mooney Long, never heard of them. Samira Joy, never heard of them. Big Lotto, you already know where my vote's going. Yeah, I mean, whenever I see Lotto's name listed, it's the same thing for me as when I see Chinatown Market change their name to Market. We're still calling Lotto, Mulatto, and we're still calling Market, Chinatown Market. Okay. Don't forget, don't forgive. I wasn't, I was there. Mainskin, who I don't, they wear too much makeup for me, and I lived through the darkness in the early aughts, so I'm all good. Toby Nowik, I don't know. Molly Tuttle, I don't know. Wet Leg. Okay. I got to give it to Big Lotto for me. I mean, she's the only one that's interesting. I mean, I like Anita, but I can't understand the words. Right, right, right. Maybe if it was Grammys and come to Brazil Grammys, that'd be one thing. But also, I'm sure in Brazil or Sao Paulo or wherever Anita is from. She has been a best new artist for the last 10 years or something like that. She's already been beasting in the underground. Let's skip ahead to dance electronic recording so I can get DJ Them Jeans to weigh in on this important. Break My Soul by Beyonce, Rosewood by Bonobo, and that's not the khakis dealer. That's with no S. Bonobos. Don't Forget My Love by friend of the show Diplo and friend of mine Miguel. I'm Good by David Guetta. BB Rexha, who's a psyop, Intimidated, Kay Trinata featuring Industry Plant Her, and On My Knees, Rufus, Two Umlauts, Do Soul. Of course, I've heard none of these songs. I'm going to vote for Kay Trinata because he's the only cool person on this list. I feel like Diplo wins enough, you know, like in life. Diplo wins a lot in life. He's having sex with four different chicks a day. He's rich. He can surf. He puts a lot of pictures on Instagram where his shirt is off because he's

confident in his torso um so i'm gonna i'm gonna kind of i'm gonna have to give this one to our boy k trinata he doesn't need the hardware yeah i think i agree with that um 1000 the other song oh oh whatever oh i don't even like k trinata is boring for me and but so is everything else on this list so well whatever i mean david getta in 2022 yeah i mean that's crazy what's going on our best rock performance let me get into my little fucking i don't know how we didn't there's i don't know that's a whole other podcast but there's We didn't get any Fred Again on there. I don't even care about Fred Again, but something. Well, I think Fred Again's album might have missed the cutoff, you know, release-wise. Oh, yeah. Yeah, bro. Best Rock Performance, Brian Adams, So Happy It Hurts, Old Man by Beck, Wild Child by The Cursed Black Keys, Broken Horses by Brandi Carlile, Crawl by Idols, produced by a friend of the show, Kenneth Beetz, Patient No. 9, Ozzy Osbourne featuring Jeff Beck. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. And Holiday by Turnstile. Patient number nine, Ozzy Osbourne featuring Jeff Beck is absolutely like the fact that there's like a COVID truth or special on the best rock performance is cool. I like that, but I can't give them my vote. Turnstyle, I want to like it more than I do because I like it as a concept so much, and I think it's so cool how big they are. But I'm going to have to just vote for Idols because I want Kenny Beats to have the hardware and the stew. Yeah, I'm going with Idols as well. They put on spirited live performances when you see them live. But also, all those bands, who listens to any of that shit? Ozzy Osbourne and Jeff Beck? We're old and we didn't even know that came out. Like, who listens to this music? Literally no one. Who listens to Ozzy Osbourne's new music? He can't even walk. He's just like... And they're like, yeah, let's throw him another Grammy. It's hurting. Best Rock Album, Dropout Boogie by The Black Keys, The Boy Named If, Elvis Costello and The Impostors, Idols, Mainstream Sellout by Machine Gun Kelly, Patient No. 9 by Ozzy Osbourne, Lucifer on the Sofa by former guest of the show Spoon.

Again, Black Keys, one of the worst bands of all time. Elvis Costello is an over-the-hill legend. Idols is, again, Kenny Beats, so I'm going to go with that. Mainstream sell by Machine Gun Kelly. I don't know if I could consider that a rock album. I don't know what the words are to describe that. That is a hot topic album, I guess. The Spoon album, honestly, is pretty good, but it just sounds like Spoon so much that I just can't, I don't know. It's still not turn my camera on, Spoon, so I can't get that excited about it. But last, before we get to our guest, we've got Best Alternative Music Album. We've got We by the Soft Canceled Arcade Fire Band. We've got Dragon New Warm Mountain I Believe in You by Big Thief, Friends of the Show, canceled because of their stance on Israel, but I think they're going to come back from that. Friend of the Show Bjork, her new album, Wet Leg and then Cool It Down by... yeah yeah yes yeah which i do actually like but i mean obviously i gotta go big thief i'm i'm a thief head through and through and um they they just no one's doing it like they do it in my opinion yeah i don't really i don't like any of these albums really i mean i guess the yes one's pretty good but come on what's going on here guys come on i guess i'll give it to the big thief i mean i love big thief but that new album didn't really grab me didn't grab me by the pp And I'm never going to listen to Arcade Fire. No. Listening to Arcade Fire, except for a couple songs from the early albums, is bad. But I've seen a lot of people going to the shows, which look sold out. So, you know, good for them. Good for Pitchfork. God Did. DJ Khaled. Best Rap Performance. We got God Did. We got Pushin' P. Free Gunna. Free Young Thug. We have F&F Let's Go by Hit Kid and My Girl Glorilla. Memphis Stand Up. And, of course, we have The Heart No. 5 by Ventriloquist Operator Kendrick Lamar. This one's very easy. This is the only easy category for me, and I'm going Hit Kid and Glorilla on this one, obviously. We got to go push and peak. Glorilla, although I'm a huge fan, unfortunately, actually Alex was saying, the album...

doesn't deliver quite the way the singles do if you could be surprised by that well luckily this is not best rap album and it's best rap performance no you're right you're nobody on god did does any performing doja cat is i don't know whatever pushing p and and it's a good song but i don't think it's it's a performance at all it's it's somebody who's taking a nap yeah it's too many york 30s and they put a microphone in front of your mouth they're like say Say just whatever comes to your mind. Yeah, but it created a more... I know I understand that you're focused on the category title, but I do think Push and P created a cultural shift. But I think Glorilla kind of did the same. What does rap performance mean? I don't know. Like there's album, there's song, and then performance. Who knows? It doesn't mean live. I mean, because I know Gunna and Young Thug ain't doing a lot of shows in the last few months. They ain't got the TikTok phone in jail. But I think that we'll wait for our invite to the show before we really get into it. But our guests today also are in the music business, even though their name sounds like something that I go too often to get my Drake shirts pressed. Dry Cleaning is joining us today. On How Long Gone, their new album Stumpwork on 4AD is out now. And it's got some great artwork and some great lyrics and other stuff. And they're British, so we know they're cooler than most of our guests. That is correct. And yeah, they're just one of those weird bands that kind of just grips you and grabs you. There's really nothing else like it. The vocal style. I was doing some Googling about the... about the word that you used to describe the way that that kind of like talk and sing songy situation you know what i'm talking about yeah i mean it's it's kind of something from a different era a little bit it's so like post-punk i don't know it's like if you're in the mood for it it really hits and i think it's hard for a lot of people to digest that being said i mean obviously they've broken through in a pretty big way it's called

Why are you talking like that? I believe it's a German phrase or term for the style of talk singing that appears in contemporary pop, rock, punk, and alternative music since the 60s. It can go anywhere from Bob Dylan to the B-52s to Sonic Youth, Slint, Cake, the Hold Steady, the list goes on. Don't bring up Slint. We don't have time for this. All right, let's give dry cleaning a jingle and see how the pints are tasting. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Going is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot. Because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, it... How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app. using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

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That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash how long. Tom, before we get started, we must talk about your animated GIF Zoom profile picture. Oh, yeah. And what compelled you to do this, and are you okay? Yeah, I'm absolutely fine, thankfully. That's actually, that was made by Flo's boyfriend many years ago. There's a guy called Pedro. We used to live together and we just went to an exhibition. I can't even remember where the exhibition was. And there was these giant abs and I was just freaking out. So yeah, I actually didn't know it animated. It doesn't animate for me. Oh, yeah. It's wiggling. Your tongue is dancing. I didn't even know that you can have an animated GIF as your Zoom avatar. Right, exactly. I'm assuming this guy called Pedro is some type of computer hacker or something to pull something like this off. Yeah, he lives on the internet. He's not a real person. Yeah, he's not. Same, same. I think every band or group of friends needs one of those guys. Yeah, you need one of those guys. But I will say that I'm... I'm not personally feeling attacked, but I'm just going to put this out there and warn you that the kind of motion of your tongue could be seen as suggestive by some. So I just kind of want to flag that for you. I'm loving it. That's more of sheer terror, but I think if you come and see us live, there's quite a bit of tongue action, but it's more along the lines of gargoyle-esque. than anything. So you guys do stump work and tongue work. I wouldn't say you'd ever see my performance and think it was sexually suggestive. I think it's much more sort of psychopath. Okay. I try mine to be sexually suggestive. I just think I foul really miserably. We've all been there, but I think, you know, rock and roll can be sexy, but even if your genitals are covered by a bass guitar or a Stratocaster, you know what I mean? There still can be some thrusting and some other movements as a man on stage that kind of lets people know what you're feeling. Absolutely. I mean, Lewis has got that side of things covered. There is no need for me to get involved with any of this.

hip thrusting i'm more sort of yeah like i say um unhinged vibe you say that well where were we the other day like utrecht and i was dancing around on stage and it's one of those nights where all my dance moves were kind of landing and then i tripped over and fell into my pedal board and then had to spend the rest of the set pretending to trip over like it was a dance move like just this new really kind of modern kind of dance oh i understand i understand so you took you took you took the trip and you made it your own and no one was the no one was the wiser is what yeah yeah there'd be like a miles davis quote about make mistake and do it twice or whatever keep repeating it yeah just use that This is a good idea. Does that mean there are days when you're on stage where you're wiggling around and it clicks and it works and it feels better than other days? Not the music or the performance, but just the dancing. Oh, 100%. Yeah, 100%. That's cool. I like it. Yeah. It also depends what I've been doing. If we've been sitting around all day and I've been drinking, then it tends to be... the most unhinged if we've been hanging out or we've done some we've seen some nice stuff that day and we've been hanging out with friends and maybe i've had a smoke or something you know like the devil's lettuce or something and that's much more that's much more groove orientated then i'm not like i'm not really going for it quite so intensely that's more sort of i'm just kind of standing fairly still actually and just bobbing my head a little bit you know that kind of having a bob i've also realized the surface of the stage uh changes my dance moves as well Sometimes the stages are quite slippy. No, of course. Where was that festival we played where it was raining onto the stage? Oh, Helsinki. Jesus Christ. That was lethal. Not Helsinki. So you're saying you guys are in Helsinki rocking the crowd and it's probably what, like afternoon? Yeah, it's been about five in the afternoon. No, no offense. No offense. No offense. I just know that, you know, I know that, you know. I assume you guys are opening. Harry Styles goes on at midnight. You know, you guys technically still play with Morrissey. Even if you go on at three in the afternoon, he goes on at midnight. It still counts. Well, I mean, we'd actually played the night before with Duran Duran. So, you know. Okay, big dick. All right, damn, bro. Shut me down then. Damn. All right, dog. Shit.

So that's the level, guys. Okay. So hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's come back to Helsinki. Now, were you handpicked by the lads in Duran Duran to kind of open for them in a large-sized venue? It was just us and them. Damn. At a castle in York. Shit. Yeah. Simon Le Bon's a big music fan. got in contact asking us to play with them, and then we got to hang out with them. He came into our dressing room between our set and their set and knew all our names. That's an old-school pro, and I really respect that, and I'm sure you guys aren't that level of pro, and you don't have to be because you're not kind of an elder statesman. You will be, though. You're well on your way to doing stuff like that when you're old. Those guys. They were really cool, actually. They were really, really nice. They seemed much... Once you actually meet them, they seem way more in on their own joke than you think they are. You know what I mean? Yeah. They seemed to be laughing at themselves very happily. And I think that is a good sign. Yeah, I would laugh at myself happily too if I was extremely rich and had an amazing amount of sex. I've spent decades having sex with whoever you please. Talking about old pros, he knew all our names. We said those guys about the rest of the band. I think that also says a lot. How was the Duran Duran crowd when you were opening for them? Or did they open for you? It was an interesting crowd. There was a lot of... Flags, Union Jack flag t-shirts and clothing. Union Jack clothing, yeah. Rose wine. They were actually very nice. They were actually a very nice crowd. It's one of those things where you look into the crowd and they're not giving you anything off and you're thinking, oh, this is... tanking yeah and then actually when you walk around later people come up to you go oh that was absolutely that was really great brilliant set absolutely massive set man massive yeah exactly well i guess that kind of could apply to what style of music is being played perhaps

You guys don't have like these kind of Calvin Harris crescendo moments. Yeah, exactly. You don't go, one, two, three, go. Excuse you. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I haven't seen you before. No one, your press guy did not send over the remix album that I was told I would get. And I'm waiting for the David Guetta dry cleaning remix. So you guys just let me know when that hits the inbox. How people see our show and how I imagine our show is very different. In my head, I'm really sexy. It is these big one, two, three, four drops. That's what is on my head when I'm on stage. Okay, that's good. That's the way it should be. Now, when you're up there in front of that many people and they're giving you nothing, do you just have to close your eyes and get into your own bag and feed off your own energy and know that this is going to be okay? Or do you have some struggle moments? It can be a struggle. But I think I also I noticed something about myself recently. We saw some good friends of ours in a band called Gilliband from Ireland. And we saw them at a festival in Poland. And I was watching them and I was thinking, this is one of the best things I've ever seen live. But I was standing with my arms crossed and my jaw open like I was catching flies in it. So to them, I must have looked totally bored. I was absolutely loving it. So you just have to realize at times. Yeah, you're part of the problem. I'm part of the problem. I try to nod my head and bop around a little bit to let my friends and family that are on the stage rocking know that I'm enjoying it. That's very kind of you. I give back. Well, only if I'm AAA and I'm standing literally on the stage. If I'm actually forced to stand with the crowd, then I am looking pissed and annoyed and they haven't given me any drink tickets or anything. So it's a little bit of a status thing for me. Right, right. The one thing I've realized, I can see a yawn a mile away. It doesn't matter how big the crowd is. We played with Interpol earlier this year. 20,000 people. I saw every yawn. Where did you guys play with Interpol? In Mexico? Yeah, I could guess. We had Paul on the show. We have some other friends in common. We're just like, bro, why are you guys so fucking big in Mexico? And it's kind of inexplicable.

Like, everybody has a theory, but I don't think anyone knows why exactly. People are drawn to their kind of dark vibes. The closest theory I could get to is that people in South America love guitar music, rock music, more than you think they do. They love goth stuff. I mean, Morrissey is huge in Latin America. Yeah, yeah. Huge. And so I think they just love the whole... you know 80s kind of miserable indie rock thing makes two of us nation and me exactly i mean in the in the arena when interpol came on i don't think i don't know about lewis but i've never seen a show like it that the crowd sang every word 20 000 people singing every interpol song oh it's true there was screaming people are crying and passing out yeah it's a michael jackson concert in 85 it's true it's screaming how do you that i mean that makes sense but how do we explain brazil though because that's sort of yeah it's a similar energy in terms of like that rabid fandom where people go crazy and obviously you have received come to brazil comments on your instagram posts i'm assuming but like i think there's it's there's less rhyme or reason or predictability like like carolyn polichek just played there i just saw on She has the number one song in the country. Wow. And we would never know. Damn, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She just played some big festival there, and she posted above Beyonce. all these other out like she has the number one song in brazil wow and she doesn't have a whole lot of guitar going on unless it's like some weird you know some elfin elfin squire playing a ukulele or something it sounds like you guys you guys are really a band's band it sounds like you're getting picked out you're getting plucked you know by all these old heads to kind of share the stage that must feel feel good but who's the dream because you know for me it's like You know, I like Duran Duran. I like, you know, I like Interpol, but, you know, I'm trying to, personally, I'm trying to open for the killers. Right, right. Of that stature. You know, a real band. Yeah. Yeah, a real band. Oh, fuck you guys. Quite early on, we've had a few bands that we're a fan of. I think before we even, from like the first EPs before we even released.

first album who were fans like icky pop was quite early damn lots of our songs in one like dj set yeah he played us up four times and then was just reading our lyrics out he said our names once do you remember that lewis he read our names out do i i've got it saved in my phone in my favorites yeah i play it for my family every christmas myself every night when that voice said my name i like welled up i was like what the fuck that's insane did he say full names guys Yeah, he's really pushed us on his show. He introduced our names to all these listeners. I've heard about this show. I've heard about the show. Is it like a Sirius XM thing? Like, where can you hear it? It's on BBC Six Music. Yeah, BBC Six Music, which is probably the largest alternative radio station in the UK. Oh, look, don't get it twisted, bro. We're very familiar with BBC. Okay, we've had Zane Lowe on this podcast. Um, so I don't want to stunt. Um, he didn't mention you guys, but like, we didn't bring you up either. So that's kind of hard. I can, do you know who, um, can I name drop out of, uh, uh, someone who's a fan of us, which, um, which was amazing. Please be our honor. Um, last, last, last year was that a festival. It might've been latitude and our booking agent was like, you all need to come here and sit down. And we were like, okay. So we went into like, that's what we kind of thought. So we went to the catering tent. And he was like, sit down. And he was like, just received an email from Grace Jones saying she's a fan and she wants you to play her Meltdown Festival in London. Wow. That was a big one. Yeah. I still haven't got over that one. The fact that she knows how to send an email is also pretty impressive. I kind of wouldn't take her. Of course she does. She shucks her own oysters. Have you not heard about this? No, what the fuck are you talking about? No, I did not know about this. On her rider, she has like a dozen oysters unshucked. So is that the right term? So she wants to shuck them herself. Yeah, that is correct. Unshucked oysters because I don't trust you motherfuckers shucking my oysters. Exactly. So you're telling me Grace Jones pulls up to, let's just say, use your words, a festival in Poland, for example, and she's like, I need a dozen well fleets on ice.

and a small knife, and she's going to do it herself. She carries her own knife. That's a good point. If you know anything about seafood, I don't know anything about seafood. I thought I did, but I don't. Our sound guy, Grant, he's from Adelaide in Australia, he is of the same opinion. He carries his own shucking knife as well. As fresh as you can get those oysters. Hold on, hold on. Your sound guy has enough time on the road to shuck his own oysters. You guys need to be working this guy harder. Oh, yeah. He'll fucking go and catch him in the sea as well. He'll fucking... Australians are built different, Chris. Yeah, exactly. Well, I would like to get... I mean, we do live shows for our podcast, and you guys are playing live big festivals and things like that, but you've played a lot of smaller pub gigs and things like that, and we know how... like the the hospitality rider how much care is not given to that where i'm like i don't even know if i want to drink this bottled water let alone trusting some you know sound guy's brother to go pick out a dozen oysters for you that sounds frightening especially like right before you go on stage in front of thousands of people let's roll the dice with these raw oysters it's very risky as hell talking about bad riders about It must have been about 10 years ago now in a previous band. The singer of this band did a backflip of the stage, headbutted the stage, and then was like semi-concussed, a little bit bleeding. So we went backstage and he got a bottle of water out of like the fridge freezer section and was holding it against his face all night. And then we woke up in the morning in the hotel, which there's like eight of us in the hotel room. And someone's like, what is that smell? It stinks. And then we realized that someone had pissed in the bottle and put it back in the freezer. And he had spent all night with his bottle of piss against his face. It was so good. And we were happy about it. Damn. Damn, that is fucked up, man. Touring is so nasty. Like, it's so nasty. I can't believe people do it, honestly. Like, I can't believe people tour in that way. And I'm glad that you made it out of the slums and now you're playing big festivals in European nations that I can barely pronounce. Um...

because that's when you know you've arrived, because you guys aren't, you're in a bus, you're doing it right, you're staying at a Holiday Inn Express. I think that kind of like, yes, it says it well, but festivals are the worst. Taking a shit in a porta toilet before you go on stage is still horrible. It's such a horrible feeling. Yeah. It takes you a few songs to get into the set. I can imagine that. I can imagine it takes a little time. But I mean, festivals just seem awful to me, except you get to see bands you like, I guess. But it just seems like it because you're in and out, right? You only go for the day that you play. You're not hanging out all weekend. It depends. We did Glastonbury recently and actually Glastonbury was my first time there and it was absolutely brilliant. I really enjoyed. watching the bands. I watched Kendrick Lamar. Absolutely amazing. Sorry to hear that. Sorry to hear that. Go ahead. First time ever at Glastow? Yeah. It was my first time as well. A not patriotic one. And also an unorganized one. I went to the toilet and the horror, the absolute horror. Every time I felt like I needed a shit, I'd be like, I could feel my anxiety. I was getting sweat. I was terrified. The horror in that toilet. There was a rumor going around as well that someone had fallen in there. Mom, can we tell the story about the CDs? No. I would prefer to just leave it at that perfect timing. Yeah, that was incredible. I mean, I think so. It's always been my kind of... anglophile dream to attend glastonbury but i will only want to go if oasis reunites and it's kind of like i'm getting the alexa chung treatment you know like i fly in i met her i met her there did you did she take a liking to you or no did you get the digits did you get her mobile no god no mate look at me I used to play in a band, and she's friends with a keyboard player from that band, and I was chatting to her, and she was dancing at my girlfriend's. Wait, so you guys have been in a lot of bands. Anybody we recognize from our years reading NME online? Nah. But you guys kind of come from a little bit of like a hardcore background a wee bit? Is that safe to say? Yeah, probably more so me, yeah. I've done like all sorts of bands that have lasted.

12 minutes and stuff like that. Okay. Okay. So what kind of hardcore are we talking about? Were we ever London Straight Edge, mate? No, never. I was actually in a Straight Edge band, but I was the only one who was at Straight Edge. But they were cool with it. That actually works out quite well when you tour Europe because you get all the drinks tokens to yourself. Okay, now you're talking TJ language. But then the flip side of that is you're the only one who's drunk. There was a pretty big straight edge scene in London, right? It's not that. Even though culture is drinking there, I feel like there's some straight edge hits. Actually, places like Canterbury and Leeds were much bigger for straight edge. But the hardcore scene in London was a thing called the London Boys Union, LBU. that had some pretty classic bands in it, but they were kind of, they actually were more into their, their beer and coat. And that sounds like the straight edge bands where we're from too. Yeah. I mean, not straight edge. Yeah. Jason's from Orange County. You ever heard of 18 visions, bro? Oh, 18 visions, a hundred percent. Absolutely. Yeah. Yes, being straight edge is awesome until you discover how great cocaine feels. I mean, do you remember that band called American Nightmare? Of course. Yeah, we've had the singer on this podcast. We see Wes around because he's around LA. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, we used to know Wes when they were all straight edge and in Boston and stuff like that. And then he sort of lost the edge and everyone ignored him. And it was really like, I remember thinking like, this is one of the best bands around. Like, why would you ignore them? But yeah, they were very. They're very moral. And the weird thing was, they're okay with me because I was upfront about the fact I was never, ever going to be straight. If you take one look at me, that dude has never not taken drugs in his life. That guy's taking drugs right now. Yeah. When did you start? Are we talking like, were you a high school partier or did it take you a little longer in life to get to the yay? I don't really take it to be honest. I'm much more into like weed and like magic mushrooms, that kind of stuff. I find, I find, I find Coke is quite like.

It's quite handy if you're tired. That's the most British thing I've ever heard. It's quite handy. A little bump in the morning. How are you guys, because, you know, I used to manage a band, and I was always quite impressed because I was a big party guy, and so were they, and we would do the same amount or more of different substances, and then they would have to take the stage and perform for an hour, and they would just nail it, you know, because it was just like second nature. Are you able to do that as you get older? Like if you're seeing fucking stars looking in the sky when you're on mushrooms, can you still hit your time? No. Does it matter? No. We had a show in Oxford. I think the last UK tour we did before the pandemic. And I kept looking over at Tom, and I was like, man, he's really fucking hating this show. And I was like, sounds really great. Your audience is really loving it. And I was like, oh, man, I feel really bad for him. He's really hating it. Then after the show, I was like, are you okay? He's like, I'm so stoned. He was just stood. Dude, I don't know. I was having a great time. So you can get John Blaze before you touch the stage, but anything else maybe you want to stay away from. Yeah, I mean, I... You know, I'm partial to a few drinks before I play, and that doesn't make me a good player. It just really doesn't. But weed's weird. It does. Like, you really get into playing. Yeah, alcohol, you just get sloppy, and you just miss your cords and stuff like that. Yeah, I like to drink before and durian, but my main issue is needing to go to the toilet. So I have to, like, limit how much I drink based on how long the set is. Well, Chris, we need to tell them about the she-wee. Yeah, have you guys heard about the she-wee? Yeah, but that's not going to help. Well, if it's good enough for the 1975, it's good enough for you guys. No, it's not. We just learned about the Shiwi from George in 1975, and he was saying that maybe this is what... Because their set now that they're doing is like two hours long. Oh, God, that poor audience. He's just...

and he was like not everyone's a fan got it okay haters all right fine and he was like he was like the set's just too fucking long i don't know what to do and then he's like maybe we should get a we should do like a she we and i was like i've never heard of that and then he sent me a link and but you guys have heard of this so this must be a popular british thing yeah but as in a she we it just helps uh we've been urinating in public right yeah that's what i thought chris because i was i was telling my life partner about the shiwi and she's like why the fuck is a guy using it well first of all down the whole point of it is for a woman to simulate a male guys to stand would you guys all fucking relax it's obviously just a joke okay everybody stop get it get out your little don't joke here it's a serious problem it's a serious problem we have Yeah, because I had no idea it was a joke, honestly. I just think it's more – because they make – Shiiwi makes a range of products if you go to their website. So I think there is room to maybe customize something and make it more for the male genitalia as well so you are able to piss in a bottle. Well, I did tell that to my girlfriend as well, and she said, so a diaper. Just wear a diaper on stage. Basically, basically. I'm down with that. I'll try anything once. Yeah, have you guys tried that before? Are you looking into it, or is this the first time you've thought of it? We're trying to get custom ones. Have you guys ever taken a wee break while in the middle of a set? You're just like, sorry guys, I can't do it. When we do an encore, normally one of us runs to the toilet. Hold on, hold on. You guys... You guys do an encore? Well, it's just it seems a little. Why are you so surprised by that? I don't know. You guys have a lot of music, of course, but I just feel like you would maybe frown on that just based on your personalities. They're showmen at the end of the day. It's a toilet break. Okay. Okay, so you come back, you do your Stevie Nicks cover after you take a piss, and it just feels better that way. I've done a lot of DJing in my day, and every time I have to go pee,

and then i come back i feel like tiesto like flying on an airplane it's it really changes the way that you perform once you've finally relieved yourself it feels amazing yeah When I used to DJ, I had tracks that I used to play when I needed to pee. Yeah, that long one, man. Yeah, yeah. Is there an understood track in the DJ community that is the best for that? If you're a big room, not big room EDM, but more of an open format DJ, is there a go-to track that all DJs agree upon? Everything by Godspeed, you Black Emperor. That's right. That's right. That's right. Good call. Yeah, anything Godspeed, that'll buy you 17 and a half minutes. Yeah, yeah. I used to do... Donald's Summit I feel loved because it doesn't get boring it's good enough you can play the whole 12 inch version that's a perfect example and it's like 8 minutes long or something like that yeah that's all I need you can get a cigarette break in that as well you can have a shit and cook a meal and then have another shit Damn, perfect song. So are you doing much DJing anymore, or have you retired like Jason because now you're a famous musician? No, we have our own show. Actually, back to Simon Le Bon, we all had our own show on Six Music end of last year, and we got to have a guest, and Simon Le Bon was my guest. And at the moment, we've all got a monthly, is it monthly, Tom, on NTS? Yeah, monthly, yeah. No, I don't mean that. I don't mean that fucking... Brooklyn white boy shit. I mean, are you in the club fucking with four CDJs going absolutely fucking crazy? Jason, I'm in the club right now. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Don't tell me about your little NTS. Give me a break, dude. Come on. This is my selection of Japanese jazz from 1940s. I'm talking about real shit, bro. I'm talking about bottle service. I'm talking about chicks. I'm talking about fun. I'm not talking about NTS. Yeah, you totally got us there. None of that. No fun. Okay, so you're saying that you do an NTS show every month where you DJ and put together a set, but you never feel like...

touching the pioneer at shelter i don't understand just a little pub gig i i used to do them years ago and i really enjoyed it i'd like to get back into it especially while while on the road uh a bit of a touring dj would be fun yeah you can make a little extra cash no that's that's what we do on stage you make a little side money and then the best part about djing is you don't have to split it with all those those fucking bandmates you know what i mean sorry say that again that sounds great i'm joking I mean, so this NTS show, because I make fun of Jason for listening to NTS all the time. Even though it's good, I don't know what it is. I just love to make fun of it. And I don't know. They don't pay you just to clear it up. I don't think so, no. I don't feel like we're getting paid. We're not seeing them. I don't feel like I'm getting paid. No, I don't think they pay you, but it can be good exposure for an emerging artist. So it's just straight vibes then. You're just doing it for the love of the music and to kind of get there with your homies, have a couple pints and mix it up. Also, if you love DJing and making mixes, there isn't really... like a good home for that yeah you know you can't just put your mix on spotify or apple it's worth mentioning that when we did the me and lewis did a mix for six music and they said you can't play half of this like you just can't oh yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean it's like Yeah, I see. Okay. Particularly because our show was going to come out when the queen died. They were like, that's offensive. That's offensive. That's offensive. That's offensive. What was so offensive? Was the sex pistols hitting that hard? For some reason, this entire country went absolutely crazy when the queen died. So it's like, if you... had anything in drop d they were like not too offensive not really anything with anything with a somber mood to it let's we best not play that yeah oh man some of the stuff they said no to was crazy yeah i mean i we've talked to a lot of people about this but it was it felt like a lot of people just kind of had a cop out you know like raf simmons canceled his show feels like the samples weren't ready you know what i mean yeah like if burberry burberry has the contract with the

with the family they have to do it but i feel like everybody else you know i don't know it just it just seems like it seems like it was a lot of like were your local restaurants closed and shit or was it oh yeah did you still get around town you couldn't get around town right they were like they were closing bike racks i'm serious you're not allowed to train your bike you're not allowed to train your bike to this bike rack during this period because the queen is dead wow that's the that is that's not even a joke that's serious i believe it that is fucking twisted we were in the states when it was her funeral thank god it's yeah it's really funny meeting people who are like we're sorry for your last and we're like thank you It's really hard. Can I get an upgrade? Can I get an upgrade? Does that mean I can get a business class? Can I get a chop-up? You just want a free refill at Starbucks. Somebody just keeps sending you Pimms cups from across the bar. Now, do you wish you were home so you could have experienced it with your fellow countrymen? Nope. Fuck no. No. Okay, because if I would have been there and I couldn't have gone to one of my little... restaurants or gotten my tea at claridge's i would have been quite upset um so i'm i but i also don't as a known anglophile the only thing i don't understand about you and your people is the dedication to the royal family it's something we brought up with all of our brits what i would say is that there is no dedication to the the royal family like or rather that it's kind of a much smaller part of the community than you think it is it's more that the it's uh the fascination it has globally is you know it is weird i fucking i think there's fucking shits about the monarchy you know i mean like yeah but the crown is a grace the crown is a great series i i love it i love him a corn as much as the next guy but i don't understand i guess my issue is none of them are hot you know

And that's kind of what we – in America, usually we demand that of our famous people. Yeah, all of our presidents and politicians are very hot. That's why your country is the best country on earth. That's right. That's right. We put looks first, goddammit. No, Jason, I don't mean – but we don't – we look at – the royal family is different than the president. No, of course they are, but they still have some government power and swing, though, right? Yeah, but I'm saying – Because we don't have an equivalent. No, they have no constitutional power at all. Yeah. They're meant to sign off when there's a new prime minister, which we have every week at the moment. But apart from that, they don't really do anything. Yeah. I mean, on paper, they don't. But you get the feeling that there's some strings being pulled in the back, maybe? Not really, no. What happened was, when we had our civil war, Oliver Cromwell became the head of state, and we were briefly a republic. And then he realized, this is a lot of bullshit work, being head of state. Let's get the monarchy back, and they can do... the bullshit bit of waving everyone and then the parliament will get on with the actual work of power whereas so basically we have a very expensive group of people who just wave at things and uh the actual power mongers just get on with the work behind the scene very smart move very smart i would love to be a well-paid waiver that sounds like a great job to me and you get all the i mean You get the Range Rovers and stuff and the houses in the country? I've got two words for you, my friend. The Crown. I mean, I honestly haven't watched that because... No one's fucking happy on that show. I haven't watched that, but people seem to really like it. I just can't. It's too popular. I lose interest. But you're saying it's a must-watch? Is that what you're saying? I think so. I mean, it's fictionalized, obviously, but even recent history shows the royal family are not happy people. They're all pedophiles. They're all half deranged, deeply unhappy, deeply flawed, deranged people. All that waving's made them all go mad. So, just like the church. Exactly. And they're the head of the church. You guys just did Primavera here in LA a couple months ago, right? That's right.

I would love to see your thoughts, your scene report on Los Angeles. Okay, we're contrasting because I fucking love LA. Lewis is a little bit less convinced. I'm slowly getting into it, but traditionally used to hate it. In different bands or like just coming as a tourist or something? No, no, I wish I could be telling you this a long time ago. We've disbanded in the past couple of years. Okay, okay. No, I mean, it's definitely not for everyone. I don't get, I have my issues with, I think I like to drink. And I don't get the idea that you have to drive everywhere. It's called drunk driving. You should try it. Yeah, because that's it. We don't drink drive in the UK. That's because you guys are too drunk. That's the difference. No, because they have a bus that you can just get on and it takes you and it works versus the bus in Los Angeles. Yeah, you can't take the tube here. That's for sure. But look, if you're only here for a couple days and you're hitting the pub with your mates, you can't spring for an Uber. I thought the band was doing pretty well. We're doing well, but not Uber well. Yeah, slow down, money bag. We're doing well enough to have a BB6 mix, but we're not doing well enough to get the Uber. uber black back to the Hollywood edition. That's too much. We have to walk to the BBC. I like to do a pub crawl. I'll go into Soho and I'll go to six, seven different bars depending on how long we're out for and walk around. That's what I like. I like people watching. There's no one on the streets in LA. I agree with you. We're going to be going to London together. We've both been separately many times. We're going together for some business in January. What's the number one Soho pub for Jason to have a couple cold ones and blast some cigs outside with the locals? Hopefully one where you could smoke indoors. I know that doesn't really exist too much anymore, but if you have a secret one, let me know. If you go to Germany, you can do that. No one gives a shit. Yeah. We were in Germany recently, and there's loads of no smoking signs. Not worth it. As in too many. I was like...

Why is there so many no smoking signs here? And they were like, because everyone smokes in Soho. And I was like, okay. You can't read the signs because of the smoke. I'll pass this over to Lewis because Lewis is Mr. Soho. He's the king of Soho. So there's a lot of pubs in Soho of the same name. Okay. So you have to be kind of like quite careful with that. Do you have an example? I know there's probably like a hundred different places called the Something Arms, perhaps. Well, I'm trying to search now so I can find three coaching horses in Soho. But one of them is the best one. So they're actually all not too bad, but the one that's on Greek Street is the main one. And I go there so much that a few months ago... uh someone who works behind the bar was like do you work around here and i was like no she was like do you live around here i was like no she's like you're always in here and i was like i like this pub i just like it well what is the now what is the draw is it the crowd is it the barmaids is the jukebox what what is the draw for you oh so okay no music perfect hell yeah they have a piano they have a they have a piano and one day a week they do like old cockney songs around the piano okay okay i like that it's kind of it's kind of just off the main road enough that it doesn't really get any kind of tourists it's kind of just people who work around there or people who kind of just know soho well uh it's got a big outside area where you can smoke and you can stand on the street and there's not a lot of pubs around so i have like a security guard who's tricking you on the pavement and stuff and at this pub you can just stand in the road okay okay i see what's giving you they also do they also do they do the best guinness in soho okay what makes it what makes a guinness the best Because I thought a beer is a beer. That's a good fucking question. That is. That's a good fucking question. There's a few little tests you can do. Okay. So when you first get it, you can kind of see, well, one, it needs to be in a proper glass. Two, like the level of head on it. Hold on, hold on. As opposed to being poured into your hands. Yeah, what do you mean by proper glass? Just a proper pint glass, perfectly sized? Is it cold? Is it room temp? What do we, what's your preferred? A room temperature Guinness glass. Okay. Like there's a.

There's an Instagram called Shit London Guinness. And they just post pictures of bad parts of Guinness around London. And they'd be like a Guinness in a stellar glass. Or like a Guinness in like a wine glass. Damn. And legit like people could serve this. That is some niche content right there. Oh, yeah. Okay, so it needs to be a Guinness branded glass. You don't want any brand mixing. No, no, no, not at all. Guinness has a specific glass. You know, the temperature, the carbonation, the pour, the flavor, how old it is. There's a zillion things you got to. put into it i'm assuming and also so my favorite to do uh with guinness geeks is to tip the glass slightly to the side and the head of the like the beard kind of floats out the glass and it almost looks like it's a solid or like almost like jelly and you can kind of you can kind of pour it quite far without coming out the glass and that's the side of a good guinness wow okay wow this is getting scientific i thought this was merely aesthetic based but you're saying there's there's some There's some, like, actual consequences. There's a lot of technique into it. Well, question, is it sacrilegious to a Guinness geek to have a Guinness mixed with cider or mixed with champagne or any of those other combinations? What do you think? Oh, we did those, didn't we, Lewis, when we signed our record deal? With champagne? We did. No, we did. What did we do? We did it with champagne. And what was the other one? Was it with whiskey or something? You can just dump anything into the shit? No. I mean, you technically can, but it's such a bitter kind of dark, heavy flavor, so then people will mix it with a bright kind of sweet cider or a light champagne, and it creates a nice contrast. What's normally quite classic is blackcurrant normally people quite like. That's actually very nice. Wait, what's that? Blackcurrant juice. Ugh! You guys are fucking freaks, man. I'm all set on that. Why don't you just have a vodka soda and a couple bumps like a normal man? I don't understand this. You guys have such a weird drinking culture in the States, though. I like a pint. I don't get the small can of beer and a shot of bad whiskey and just doing that for an hour and then going home. That's what I see when I'm in the States. And then the other side is like these crazy strong IPAs.

They're insane. It's like eating a meal. Yeah, it is probably quite filling. I'm proud to say, as a person who's sober, that I stopped partying before the IPA rush experience. Oh, you were lucky. So I've literally never had one, but I hate the cans. So I feel some sort of, you know, I feel like I'm doing my part. to kind of fight the good fight. You don't like those IPA makers expressing themselves artistically on the cans. I just really don't think that that's the place to express. It's like everything doesn't need to look like a bad Grateful Dead tape. I also don't want to pay $12 for a can of beer. We were in Germany recently and we drank some of these. There's a region in Germany called Cologne. They make their own very specific lava called Kolsch. On the glasses it says established in 1559 or whatever. right so that took 500 years to get that that good or it's been that or at least it's been that good for 500 years people should have an ipa within one week and they're sort of making beer the next week and then you get these massive headaches There's a reason for that. It's because they're fucking shitty. They're making a shit beer that's full of awful chemicals. So you're saying that you only want an old world kind of before Christ type lager. You're not interested in these newfangled brewery born, you know, hipster beers. We've kind of gone back to kind of like standard like hells and kind of stuff like that. uh and that kind of seems to be the fashion at the moment which i'm very happy about like a beer you can drink all night we we kind of started doing session beers which i kind of got the tone wrong originally where they're like two or three percent so you can drink them for like 24 hours straight but i quite like the yeah just like a 4.5 five percent just hells i like that you're looking i like the Your criteria for good beer is I could drink this for 24 hours straight and kind of still be standing. That's what I'm looking for when I'm kind of, okay, that makes a lot of sense. It's like my issue with people doing the small cans and the shots. I want to be out in the pub for as long as possible. That's where you feel most at home. Whereas America's like, I need to get blacked out as soon as possible. Oh, yeah, of course. It's worth saying that Lewis is living in a house that has a pub in its garden right now.

wait hold on so are you living because i know that in in the uk you can you can stay at the pub they have a chamber rooms or whatever like a hotel above it yeah are you living in a are you living in a pub are you an alcoholic both uh i am uh because we're touring so much i moved in with my sister and her husband's and they have a house uh and in the back of the garden my brother-in-law built A fully functioning... I've got friends who own bars which have less stock than they have. It's got bar pumps. It's got... It's quite a big room. It's probably bigger than some bars. And it's fully stocked. We often go over to watch the... We often go over to watch the football. I also love Lewis, the way you just said, I've got my brother... I've moved in with my brother-in-law and my sister in a house. Like... It's like... It's so unusual now that someone lives in a house. No one is in a house. Yeah, you know what I mean? I say that because generally no one lives in a house apart from me. Just you. Just you. So in America, we have a man cave, and then over there you guys have a man garden is what it sounds like. Yeah. And then you can watch the footy, smoke some cigarettes. talk about tits and stuff like that that's exactly what happens i don't yeah i mean you guys don't make enough money over there that's my main gripe with the with the uk i feel the salaries are too low you get grown men with roommates it's it's hard to not only party but to probably have sexual intercourse with strangers so i don't know what i don't what can you do to remedy that besides becoming a rock star this ain't helping either Well, don't go on a podcast, it sounds like. Yeah, don't podcast. Podcasting is not going to help any of this, but that's kind of our fault, I guess. But yeah, I don't understand. The salaries are so low that grown-ups have to have roommates. That's something that we got to talk to Parliament about. I said this to Tom the other day. Someone who we worked with in the States did a post about, I think it might be like a restaurant or a bar that they worked that was looking for staff for one night. And it's like a six-hour shift.

And they were getting $180. And I was like, in the UK, a six-hour shift in a bar like that is £10 an hour. You get £60. And if you have a break, you don't get paid for the break. So it's like a quarter of the amount. You don't even get paid for a break? Yeah. With a pound and a dollar pretty much being equal at the moment. It's pretty cool for us, though. Yeah, I can't wait to come blow some pounds at Selfridges, baby. Don't forget, though, if you get really drunk that night and you get hit by a car, you can go to the NHS for free. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, all right. Relax, Mr. Frontline Worker. It is good for small injuries, but you guys don't have specialists over there like we do, you know? Yeah, you don't have any specialists. Who told you that? Who told you that? Just American propaganda, normal stuff. Exactly, exactly. Where we get our news, they kind of tell us stuff about you guys, you know, and I've heard that as well. You guys have great doctors over there. It's more so that's what we tell the Canadians whenever they try to rub it in our faces that they have, you know, things like health insurance and health care. And then we're like, okay, well, then one of you has like a brain tumor. you've got to come down to Boston or something like that to do it anyway. So we've got that going for us. They're specialists. The NHS isn't free because it's run by amateurs. Enthusiasts. I'm an enthusiast. You guys were talking a lot about the NHS for a while. I kept seeing all this stuff and merchandise and shit. So I'm glad to hear that you guys haven't backed off from that. I'll be very proud of it. Well, they were the true heroes of the lockdown. They were the ones that sorted everything out. They were the best. And now they're being treated like shit. Everyone's trying to sort them out. The nurses are going to go on strike soon. There'll be loads of press about what scum the nurses are, but they're actually not. They're great. Well, I only read the Daily Mail for my British news, so I kind of find out, which I hear is not the best, but that's kind of just... I like the way it looks with all the ads and stuff. It's fun to use on my computer. Yeah, that's fucked up. Well, I mean, they did the great coverage on Donald Trump's ugly daughter's wedding this weekend. You can't really get that stuff. You can't really get that stuff everywhere in the time that I need it, like instantaneously.

So I just want to give them a shout-out for that. It wasn't The Guardian, but quite low down. Yeah, see? I need above-the-fold Tiffany Trump wedding coverage. You can only get that on the dailymail.co.uk. And that's the gift that keeps on giving. The only time I find myself on that shitty website is when I Google something about a football player, maybe about transfer news, and it's the only fucking website that comes up, and then it says, like, accept cookies. I'm like, oh, I don't want to give The Daily Mail my shit. And then, yeah, I just choose a different sport. And also, they lie about the football as well. Really? Yeah. They're all lies as well, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are they saying that the football players are actually faithful to their wives or something? Or is it like a lie that matters? Stuff like that. It's more like transfer room. It's like, oh, Ronaldo's going to sign for Arsenal. And it's like, that's not true. Okay, but how do you know it's not true? Are you an inside man at Arsenal? Or are you just guessing? No, I know. I've got people in high place. We actually... Lewis actually does. Yeah, who do you guys support, by the way? Arsenal. Arsenal. We're both Arsenal fans. Go Gunners. Are they good? Top of the league, mate. Top of the league. We're top of the league. Okay, top of the league. Does that mean number one? Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't some sort of British slang. It actually means number one. Yeah, that could just mean they're trying their hardest. But no, they're number one over Man City, Newcastle. Sad to see Man U down at number five, isn't it, guys? Nope. I guess I'm asking the wrong people. Yeah, you are. Yeah, that's your rival, right? No, not a rival. Tottenham. We despise Tottenham. Fuck off, Tottenham. Exactly. Fuck off, Tottenham. How often... How often are you guys going to the matches and getting absolutely hammered while you support your team while wearing a jersey? And does it say like the band name on the back or is it just regular? You can't drink at the stadiums. What? What? Because of the violence? You can drink at the stadium, but you can't drink in the stands. You can't sit with a drink. So I made the mistake the last time I was there of ordering two beers, heading into the seats, and the guy says you can't take those in. So I had to drink them both. You got to skull them. In about two seconds.

And then I sat down. I was sat down, and I was so drunk, I don't remember any of the games. Because, you know, here in the U.S., I recently was in Atlanta, where I'm from, and I took my dad to a Falcons game, American football. I was just checking out some of the prices. You know, people love to complain about the prices at these things. So is the pint price astronomical when you're supporting Arsenal or is it a little more reasonable? It's fucking astronomical. Well, gentlemen, the last time I was there, I was inside a player's box. There it is. There it is. All right, big. All right, big dick. Are you saying to me? Are you saying to me there's a football player that listens to dry cleaning and not bad bunny? Because I don't believe you. Yeah. There is. I teed you up for this 10 minutes ago, Lewis. I teed you up for this. I know, I waited. I was trying to be modest for a bit. I'll clean that up in post. Which player is gay? I would love to know. Which isn't? Okay, so you're over, you're in one of the boxes at the Emirates Stadium, putting some pints back, looking down at the punters. So there's like a room and it's like full of free beer and like pictures of the player and stuff. And then you can see the pitch from the room. But if you have a drink in your hands, they'll make you close the blinds because you're not allowed to technically drink and watch the game at the same time. So is it like a – what is the rule? Is it a religious thing? Is it a violence thing? Or is it just common British manners and decency? Doubt it. Probably the second one is probably to stop violence and stuff, yeah. It's not a religious thing. It's not a manners thing. Now, in your younger days, have either of you been involved in any football-related violence? No, I always – that stuff's fucking embarrassing man it's a fucking sport do you know do you know what's worse though it's coming so where i've moved to get the train kind of to london bridge and there's like meal wall which is kind of traditionally like a london kind of like a hooligan team on a saturday there's so many kind of like 14 year olds and 15 year olds wearing stone islands which is like the clothing that's worn by hooligans just with like a crate of beer under their arms just all screaming at each other just trying to get into fights so it's kind of it disappeared for a few years it's coming back dude you can't

You can't claim that Mill will ever stop having football violence. Come on. They invented it. The youth are getting back into it now. I thought we were dying out. There's a renaissance of hooliganism. So if you're on... There's nothing more of a pain in the ass than a group of 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds drunk. Yeah, it's very annoying. So you're on the train, they're all carrying on. If you've got your arsenal... hat on you'll maybe tuck it under into your coat or do you wear it proudly and and die on your die on your feet not on your knees i just ran and cried yeah they they were like trying to figure it was a guy They were like, that guy's wearing a Chelsea shirt. Darren, that guy's wearing a Chelsea shirt. And they were trying to stop people in the train station. See, that's not fair. Not to an innocent bystander. If you're not from the streets, if you're like a dad in a Chelsea shirt, you're not part of this. You've got to leave them alone. That's not fair. Unless it's a Tottenham shirt, then give them the business. Now, when you travel to protect yourself, do you keep a razor blade kind of in your mouth, or is there some other sort of weapon that you keep on you to protect yourself from these children? No. You guys aren't a master of the blade or something? What is it with Americans and arming yourselves all the time? And weapons. Chill out. I wish we could chill out. You come to L.A., bro. It's crazy out here. I got to keep that thing on me. Yeah, it's crazy because you've all got weapons on you. The only weapon I have are my fucking two fists, and you don't want to see the other side of those, chief. Well, I mean, if they banned guns, then it wouldn't be a problem, but I don't think we're going to ever ban guns here. so everyone just has to get a gun because if you don't shoot them, they're going to shoot you. Yeah, you guys talk all this shit, but you can get stabbed all over London with a little knife. You guys have these cute little knives. I got stabbed twice today. It's like a mosquito bite. It just happens. You have to go on with your day. We're so used to it. It's a small stabbing. The NHS is so busy, I don't even bother them with this stuff. This is low-hanging fruit stuff. I kind of have to keep it moving. Chin up, man. Chin up. All right, guys. Well, thank you guys so much for chatting with us, taking the time.

And congrats on the album rollout and the great reception it's getting. We're both fans over here. Yeah, we are. We appreciate it. Thanks very much. Love the artwork. We read about it today. We found a story about the artwork. It's so, so cool. Yeah, Chris wanted to know if it was an actual image or if it was like a Photoshop creation. No, it's an actual image. I had a feeling. We know where all the pubes came from. It's from one person. And over a Zoom, he kind of pointed around his body where they came from. of course we talk about the coolest thing at the very end you guys are twist you guys are twisted cats i love it i love it uh the album also yeah please go ahead i just say thank you for uh actually reading an article and then not re-asking the question, actually just reading it. Be like, we've read the article, we know the answer. Yeah. Compared to everyone else. Yeah, that never happens. No, that's why we're the best, guys. We're not one of these little publications that makes money and matters. We're not here to teach our audience about you. We're here to talk about different ways that you can pour beers and stuff. Exactly. And also stabbings. Yeah, and stabbings, of course. Stump work, the album from Dry Cleaning. in stores everywhere now. Fellas, we will see you soon. Thanks very much for having us. Take care. If you want to have a beer when you're in London, let us know. Oh, we will. We definitely need to tap in with the gods. Absolutely. We'll let you know. Have a good evening. Later, fellas. Bye-bye. Things are shit, but they're going to be okay. And I'm going to see the otters. There aren't any otters. There are. Well, we can check. And I'm going to see the water caterpillar.

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