358. - Perry Farrell

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Coming to you live from Palm Springs where we're both unfortunately missing the Father's Day brunch at San Vicente Bungalows. Father's Day Juneteenth collab brunch. I'm assuming San Vicente Bungalows doesn't do a ton of Juneteenth stuff. I don't know. I don't check the programming. I'm a little hungover. Chris, you're on island time right now, right? You're on holiday in Palm Springs? I'm in Palm Springs. It's about 100 degrees. I bought a new three-inch inseam Prada bathing suit on the way down. So life is pretty good, bro. You know what I mean? Okay, so you found out. do as the locals do and throw some money at the problem and that problem being your life that well the problem being my my thigh exposure you know what i mean it needs to be greater and i wasn't finding it you put in the work i put in the you might as well show it off i put in the work i might as well show it off um yeah that's it really i'm just i'm still kind of reeling from the absolute Just what Drake has done to me, like the emotional highs and lows of the last 48 hours since, honestly, Nevermind has dropped. It's put me in a little bit of a spell because it's truly one of the most boring things I've ever heard in my entire adult life. And I don't kind of know how to manage my feelings. You do a lot of boring stuff. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm the king of boring stuff. So it's like if I didn't know something could be this boring. Yeah, there's been a lot of stages of grief, grieving with the five stages of a Drake record. You know, there's the denial.

There's, you know, all that stuff. When it first came out, everyone's like, oh, shit, I heard a rumor that Drake is going to do like a dance music album. Oh, the summer is about to be City Girl Summer. This is about to be a wave, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And then I found out that the person that made all these beats was this. this fat DJ named carnage who's like, you know, like, but can you explain? Cause you explain those are his identity in life. You know, I was going to ask what, should I know carnage for something besides having a video game, a video game tag as his DJ handle? He's like this. He's this guy that made like bro EDM dubstep. And then he sort of evolved into. a more like housey kind of producer guy but you know you still can't wash that bro step stank off of you but no of course but can you explain to me why he's getting the call he speaks fluent uh hip-hop okay is the is the situation so that he's he's able to do like like he's done like migos records okay okay produced a lot of rap music so he can kind of like speak the language and he can say no cap and he can you know do do pop okay so he can he can go up and sit with 40 and smoke some of that legal canadian uh herb yes yes yes well that's not a good enough reason for me to make a bad album when there's a million a million i mean pierre is happy to come downstairs anytime you know what i mean i don't really i don't know what the problem is i was actually having this conversation i mean this conversation has happened many times and over the last couple days at first i was really excited i was like oh these are beats that i can get behind I never really cared about Drake singing about anything anyway, so whatever. That's kind of a moot point there, and I was like, this is going to be the album of the summer, and then it really degraded quickly once everyone realized. So I want to be clear. Yeah, I want to be clear, though. As a person who does appreciate this kind of music in theory, you like this more than when Drake is good, in my opinion, or you're also mid on this? I'm mid on this not because...

Of anyone's fault other than Drake and the people that should be telling Drake no when they keep telling him yes. Oliver, I know you're listening. Let's see what's going on with that. But the beats, it could have been something. And it reminds me of when Kanye would release unfinished demos and it would just be like a sick-ass Kanye beat and him being like... like humming humming the melody yeah humming the melody of like i'll figure out what words to say later on but i'm just getting a feel for it and then just smashing the release button i can't deal like i literally i listened to it once all the way through and i was like damn this is really like it it it's disappointing but i mean hopefully this means that he'll just be back within six months with some bangers because he'll listen to this feedback and people are i saw people posting like Drake is number one on... He's got all the top songs on the Apple Music dance chart. I'm like, yeah, how hard is that, bro? Are you fucking kidding? It's Drake. Who gives a shit, dude? Drake has 20 number one songs on the dance chart of beating out people that none of us have ever heard of before. That's not really an accomplishment, unfortunately. It's like being the number one podcast in the health and wellness category or something. Yeah, it's like, okay, the competition is the antithesis of stiff. But it is tough. It's been tough for me. I've got to be honest. I was really looking forward to it. I was very excited. And like I said on Twitter, I thought it could unite this country a little bit. And that's unfortunately kind of not what happened. It has done quite the opposite. We podcast in a nation divided. I know. Once again, we podcast in a nation divided. But I know I'm in Palm Springs. We came down yesterday just for a quick blast of the beautiful L.A. sunshine. I love Palm Springs. It's still a place with no good restaurants, and the only reason I come here is to hit my favorite gym. I just want to give a shout-out to kind of my favorite gym here. That might be, Loki, the gayest thing you've said on this podcast. I only go to Palm Springs for the gym. It's called World Gym.

It's huge. It has everything you need. It's next to a donut place in a shopping center. Honey, when I say everything, I mean everything. I was the youngest gay man there by 20 years. Youngest in charge. I was the youngest in charge today. There's nobody there that's under the age of 50 except me. There's not a single woman. If you want to feel something, you need to go to a place like this as a man with your Nike shorts on and be ogled at. It makes me feel like I'm in the best shape of my life. life okay when you say feel something that means specifically the male gaze the gaze gaze yeah it's nice to be appreciated strictly for your quads you know what i mean like they're not looking at my you know they're not saying they're not like oh chris yeah he shaved his head don't love it oh yeah wow his arms are kind of skinny or like oh yeah he's a little yeah i don't know his ladies can like Ladies can like calves, too. I've seen them. No, I know they can. But it ain't the same. It ain't the same. It ain't the same as a 60-year-old desert daddy kind of wearing. Like, all these guys also, the outfits are crazy. They just wear, like, dick. Whatever they can find that shows off their dick the most, that's what they wear. It's a regular pair of shorts. It's too hot for Heather Gray sweatpants, so what are some of these dick windows doing? There was just one guy that looked to be at least 75, and he's wearing these shorts. The outline of his penis is so clear. It's shockingly clear. It looks like a vision. The clouds have parted, and here's this penis. It's because he's choosing. He's not wearing any undergarments with a certain kind of shorts. It's like a choice. His penis area woke up and chose violence today. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So I had a great morning over at World Gym. Shout out to those guys and just all the bears at the front desk. You guys keep showing me love. I'll keep coming back. You know what I'm saying? What's the sauna vibe there? Dry, wet. What's going on? I didn't step foot in that, and there might not be one, but I'm going to guess wet if I had to choose. You're like, there is currently a legal investigation going on right now involving the sauna.

The sauna at World's Gym in Palm Springs is where monkeypox started. That's the Wuhan wet market of sexually transmitted monkeypox. You walked in, you saw some guy serving the sauna itself, court papers. He's been subpoenaed. You've seen some shit. We're going to make you squeal. I'm just going to leave these right here. You know what to do. We've done it all. It's been great. I missed an activation in Los Angeles last night where you finally... got to build with former guest and short king, Benny Blanco. Is that correct? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, we were invited over to Benny's house. It was a salad freak activation with some Davide was cooking the Italian food up as well. It was just a feast among creatives, and it was beautiful. Okay. It was an intimate meal. The good part about Drake is it gives everyone something to talk about that isn't like a Hulu show for one week. That's true. And I got to chime in and weigh in on my thoughts on this. I was wondering what little Dickie thought of Drake. That was the number one question I had for you. So thank you for kind of bringing that to our attention. Nobody was super feeling it. I think I finally figured out the final point of it when I was talking about this with Kashmir Kat, producer extraordinaire. And he's like this soft-spoken, kind of like Swedish bro. We were talking about how Drake is good when he's singing and when he's doing hard rapping. So a Drake banger doesn't mean necessarily it's like a club smash turn up song. True, true. quote-unquote bangers that are, you know, soft voice singing on there. So in the same way that you can't just say, like, this is a bop or this is a banger, it's like a feeling, you know? And basically, you know, the consensus was just like every time Drake puts out a record or any of these people put out a record, there's always, like, a few on there. You know, there's bullshit, but there's always a few bangers, and there's not one.

hard or soft on this record there isn't not even one not one single banger i agree and it it pains me but yeah i mean i'm glad to hear that well the bangers i'm glad to hear that other members of the music community are are kind of uh agreeing with us for once you know what i mean um I would love to know what... Also, did you ask Little Dicky about what he thought of Uncle Tupelo's kind of early stuff? Or did you guys not get to that? Yeah, he was the only person that I didn't really build with a ton. Did Davide... Did you have to help him at the pasta station? Was he overwhelmed? Nobody would let me help. It was a... The kitchen was packed full of pros, so I wasn't... So who's cooking? We got Jess, a.k.a. Salad Freak. We got... Yeah, Jess Salad Freak is making a bunch of salads, and they're all delicious. You know, a little Caesar, a little burrat, things like that. Okay. Benny made, like, a crab pasta that was very nice. Matty Matheson. So earlier in the day, they pulled out a bunch of Wagyu steaks, you know. From the freezer out in the backyard. I was going to ask if there was a freezer in the garage or if there's no... I know he doesn't drive, but I'm sure he keeps a couple of Maybox just kind of in case. Yeah, you know, like your parents probably have a fridge in the garage for the deer kill and things like that. That's right. But it's just imported A5 Wagyu steaks. Okay. So they pulled some steaks out of the freezer in the afternoon and then put them in the jacuzzi. and literally sous vide these Wagyu steaks just straight out of the bag, no seasoning, no anything, into the jacuzzi four hours at 1.06, and then Maddie pulled them, kind of dried them, tamped them, and then hit them in the broiler. It's nice to be around people who have worked hard, made a lot of money, and are enjoying it and spending their money in a fun way of just like, I'm going to buy this $500 worth of meat. Put it in the jacuzzi for a while, and then Maddie Matheson's going to come over and finish it and cover it with flaky salt and some lemon juice. I was going to ask if I... I get to eat it. Yeah, I mean, was there a dessert? Like, was there a pastry chef, or is this a purchased dessert? I just want to get the full kind of story. There is a woman there who made a seasonal, I think, apricot galette. The poor man's pie. The Special Olympics of pie making. Anyone can do it.

No shade, of course. It was delicious. Loved it. A little fresh whipped cream. But the real piece de resistance was the heiress of Russ and Daughters. Deli was there, just bopping in. She kind of had a Mrs. Maisel feel to her. Did she bring some smoked salmon or something? Yeah, so we finished the whole meal, dessert, the whole thing, and then... The Russian daughter's heiress has the long blade out, and she's got a half a side of salmon, and she's thinly slicing it to order. And I'm grabbing the knife. I'm picking up a little bit. I'm putting it in Kashmir Cat's mouth, and he's going, oh, this was so delicious. It was strange to have smoked salmon as the final course. I wouldn't have done the coursing that way exactly, but it was still so amazing. I thought this was going to go in a different way where she was going to slice up some, you know, when you eat it like per se and they give you the granola for the next morning. I thought this was like that kind of vibe. That's what I was expecting as well. Send us home with a little care package. Yeah, that's great. Well, I can't wait. We're going to see. maddie's new show tomorrow night actually so i can't i can't wait to see big dog on the big screen the bear premiering on fx soon i can't wait to i hope i have fx i'm pretty sure i do it's on hulu don't worry okay thank god well i'm glad you had i'm glad you had a good weekend jason how are you feeling today maybe a little maybe a little hungover just a wee bit hungover i'm i really decided i only want to drink martinis that's it in terms of alcohol so i only i only had local or sustainable biodynamic wines last night. And I think the sugars kind of got to me a little bit, so I'm not feeling it 100%. Man, I hate to hear that. A wrong that I'll write tonight on my Father's Day dinner. Down in Orange County, we're going down to the ranch steakhouse. Oh, perfect, perfect. Because my biological didn't bother, so I'm going to get me a tomahawk. A tomahawk ribeye. God damn it.

I'm not the stepfather, but I'm the father that stepped up. That's right. Orange County this evening. 6 30 res cb time i'm jealous of the 6 30 res we love that well i i am yeah but but long story short my insides are really fucked up and i'm not feeling good well i'm sorry to hear that but i also love to hear that you know what i mean at the same time i think it makes for makes for kind of like an excellent day uh for for me and you a little something for everyone yeah and i'll i'll after this i will be drink drinking cold brew, just clacking away, working all day. I know that you're envious of me working all day while I'm envious of you poolside having some, what is it called when you have like water? What was that? Like the alcohol, like a cocktail with like... Sparkling water and vodka. It's like something water. I don't know what that's called. Ranch water? Maybe ranch water. They have the bungalows. Oh, ranch water is actually, I'm sorry, ranch water is a brand of Texas-based hard seltzers. I apologize for that confusion. Okay. I am jealous, of course, of you working hard today. I had to go, I mean, just to let you understand kind of where I'm at, I had to, obviously, I'm rising quite early. I had to go to a Starbucks reserve this morning. That was the only thing that was open. That's part of the fun of being on holiday, though. Having a sneaky Starby's. Alex had a nice coconut latte. I, of course, had the nitro cold brew, which tastes like mud ran through diarrhea. A rare die-die reference from Chris. I like this. I didn't like to do it, but I had no other words. The scene at a 6.15 a.m. Starbucks Reserve in Palm Springs is one of the, honestly, it's Skid Row. How many people were actively reading the Bible when you walked in the door? Funny you said there was one. Dead ass there was one, but there was like the guy in full. Especially Father's Day, too. Well, I mean, who's the bigger father than Jesus? Well, I'm saying you're in Palm Springs. It's Father's Day. Oh, I see. It's a bunch of people who.

Their father kind of stopped talking to them in 1974. Well, my favorite guy was kind of the classic, like not trans, not RuPaul's Drag Race, but somewhere in between, like a full-size overweight man with the blonde wig and the fingernails. You know, having an espresso in a paper cup at 6.15 a.m. is just like, what is more? In full beat as well? Full beat, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did them have their YouTube handle as a sticker on the back of their car? I didn't see their car, but I guarantee... Or their makeup tutorial channel that is low-key killing it right now. I guarantee you that the all-new Nissan Z in the parking lot definitely had the YouTube handle on it, no problem. This thick Ultima leaser has over 400 subscribers and growing. Yeah, just click below to link it to subscribe. But yeah, it was a pretty twisted scene. It's just like people wearing a lot of clothes when it's already 100 degrees outside. Also having a hot coffee, which we're not in Morocco. You know what I mean? I don't understand the methodology there totally. No, the hot liquids cools you down. You know that, right, Chris? Come on. I've heard that before, but as a person who still likes their water cold, even though all my health food stores tell me not to, that's something I don't know. I don't subscribe to you, but... Oh, Jason. We do have a special guest today. We could gab all day. I wish I could, but instead... We're going to listen to a very interesting interview with an interesting and legendary man. I mean, so we talked to Bob Lefsatz over the week. We had to do some back-to-back pause because of legend scheduling. But Bob, obviously, if you know who he is, you're going to listen to this. Legend scheduling. If you don't know who it is, Bob Lefsatz is a kind of music business talking head who's been sending out his newsletter even by Carrier Pigeon since 1986. Now it's obviously an email. It can be everything from, you know, it literally goes from the Stones and the Eagles to The Weeknd and Fauci. You know, he really covers it all. Or, like, you remember that one IHOP on Sepulveda in 1990?

he gets into a little bit of that but we also get him to tell us that he does go to nobu in malibu so that's that's a nice treat yeah you should go back and listen to that episode it popped up yesterday and if you or i guess two days ago now and if you're like who the fuck is this and why does it look weird just give it a try long story short it's basically just chris black in the future yeah unfortunately i did feel a little too seen um but uh you know it could have just been the polo he had on i don't know But today we were able to speak to the legendary frontman of Jane's Addiction, Porno for Pyros, the inventor of Lollapalooza, a man who looks great for his age and was drinking a Stella Artois at 3 p.m. in the afternoon. That's Perry Farrell. And this was fun for us. I don't want to speak for both of us. It was fun. It won't be fun to edit because he was tough to keep. in one place he likes to move around a lot during the podcast but this guy is like a this guy is like certifiably on another planet and the coolest like he's been famous for too long and he just operates how he wants to but he has such a nice outlook on life i was honestly kind of moved by the whole thing he has when you know when some people like when you or i smile it's like this smug motherfucker and when he smiles it's it's like it's like a three-year-old innocent child no that's a good point it has like it's just exuding pure love yeah from him no he really is a special like i i didn't fully get it until we had the had the conversation luckily the video was on um but yeah he's he's a great guy he seems to have it all figured out he's he's pinching nugs he's hitting the waves he's got kids can you imagine he's got kids he's got kids that are in high school can you imagine this guy's your dad. So cool. So cool. But they're going porn for pyros is reuniting. Um, and, and also the James addiction, smashing pumpkins arena tour is coming. Jason, I will be at the Hollywood bowl, uh, show. Um, and, uh, hopefully we'll be backstage with Perry kind of hitting, hitting the, um,

hitting the hookah before the stage. We'll do our best. But yeah, Jason, have a wonderful day. I appreciate you. And to all the dads out there, please stop posting. And to all the girls with dads, please stop posting pictures of your dad. We know they used to be hot, and now they vote for Trump and have a truck. So you're not fooling anybody. Yeah, all y'all little hot dads have prostate cancer now. They ain't shit. I know your dad had a six-pack in 1972, but that motherfucker now looks like he needs lap bands. He got lymphoma now, his dumbass. Little ugly ass. All right, guys. All right. And happy Juneteenth as well. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcast. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. Yeah, look, we're doing pretty well. I feel like I'm hearing some birds chirping, which makes me... envious of your location right now i'm in a canyon okay so you you got no cell service but you do have birds and wi-fi butterflies lemon trees life is but a dream it's beautiful you got you got any you got you got a lot of deer i got a lot of friends in the canyon who are the deer is just tearing up the garden perry really i've got a garden but i'm putting it on my roof so i can't get to it i'm sorry okay so you're doing a you're doing a roof garden is this a new addition to the to the Feral Mansion. Is that the idea? Yeah. Okay. So are you growing or is there some vegetable production or is this just beauty? In the next six months, I'm going to have a rooftop garden with, you know, California type of vegetation or vegetables. Sure. I want to get flowers, maybe a pot plant. or two, tomatoes, you know. Okay, so you're a green thumb in more ways than one, and I'm glad to hear that. Now, are you tending to this as like a meditative hobby for yourself, or is this something that maybe someone comes over and does for you, if you know what I'm saying? No, well, they're coming over to help me put it together. You know, you need the irrigation system up there, and once I'm up and running, I want it to be about, You know, go up there in the morning, check out the surf. I could see the waves from my house. It's about three quarters of a mile from the beach, but I'm up high. Get those binoculars out. I have some binoculars. A couple, two, three laps. And then I will maybe pinch your butt off. Maybe I'll have some tea with me. This is all just, like you said, it's just all a dream at this point.

Sure, but I like to get into your headspace and know what a dream state for you looks like because I think our dream states are quite different, but yours feels right for you. Yeah. How does it feel knowing that you can legally grow weed in your house? Is that something that you're used to now or does it still feel a little surreal to you? Are you guys allowed to grow weed where you live? Yeah, we're both in L.A. too. No, it's wonderful to be able to at any moment, at a moment's notice, just say, I just think I want to smoke. So are you an early riser? Because you strike me. I know you like to podcast in the late afternoon, but are you an early riser by nature? Well, let me see. I don't really have a set sleep pattern, especially in my line of work. If you get too used to going to bed early, it can end up to bite you in the butt when you've got a show at 11 or midnight. So, you know, for a while I was taking sleeping pills, you know, and I thought that was the answer. But sleeping pills, you know, I didn't like it because after a while I was starting to get like night sweats. Yeah. Because I guess the sleeping pills, yeah, you can get addicted to them, right? And plus, I don't like the hangover that a sleeping pill gets you, you know. So what I like to do is I try to get my sleep. by working out and doing yoga before I go to bed. So, you know, I'll expend energy and then I'll also be stretched out and relaxed. But as an example, last night is I had a lot on my mind and that's really the reason I don't sleep these days. Hey, the reason I don't sleep much would be. It's all up here. It's all like mental. You're still spinning out about some disrespect that happened to you that afternoon. You know what I mean? Look, I know what it's like to get the Tesla bumped in the Ralph's parking lot. We've all been there. You know what I mean? It's not great. You know, it's not great. Pavilions for Perry if he's over in Malibu. But I think that this is a – so you like to –

You expend your energy in hopes that that will allow you to sleep, even if the mind is still on. Yeah, I mean, you do the best you can. As an example, I'm sure you guys work out or do yoga. We do. It's a big part of this podcast, actually, our fitness journeys. So this is a perfect topic for us. You know, you do yoga for as much time as you've got in the morning, right? So you get up in the morning. Because my boys, they just graduated high school. One of them did anyway. So I was getting in the pattern of getting up at seven just to see him off in the morning. Make their peanut butter and jelly. No, he didn't like to have breakfast. So I just hang out, see if I can get any information out of him. While they're still groggy. Yeah, that's a good idea. Good idea. You know, it's like you do the best you can. Last night, I didn't get to bed till four in the morning. If I can't go to bed, I'll go to yoga. Hey. What's your dog's name, Perry? Cloud and Storm. Storm's a cool dog. I like Storm. He's a handsome fella, isn't he? Absolutely. The other guy's too big to get in my lap. So if I can't go to bed, I don't go to a sleeping pill. What I'll do, I might. I prefer not to because those things give you a hangover. You're talking about like an ambient or something over the counter? Yeah, it could be an ambient. But no, honestly, I don't dig them. I don't dig them that much. No, no, no. You got real cloudy the next day. Yeah, you know. So I just spent my brain power on writing a song. So I wrote a really good song. Amazing. Now, are you saying you're getting up and you're strumming the acoustic or you're just writing lyrics in the notebook? It can be anything, right? But typically what it is is, yeah, I go to poetry. That's the first step. And do you do that now? Do you do that in bed or do you have to get up and kind of go to your study? You might do that in the Downward Dog. Yeah. So another one of my projects. No, another project I've got is I want to.

Yeah, man, I'm at that age where I might be getting myself a little second wound away from my wife. Hell yeah, congratulations, congratulations. You have such a flair for design. Have you started kind of picturing what that's going to look like? Oh, yeah. Okay. So what's in here? What do we got? Also, I like second room because some people will say my office, my study, my man cave. Second room. Second room is a very interesting choice of words. So it's going to be right off of the rooftop garden. Okay. You can't beat that, man. You're going to have dad's lair upstairs where there's the full garden and as well as an enclosed area for you to do whatever you need to do in there. Right. And it's right above. my room so it's almost like the attic is now going to become a rooftop garden slash uh my my launch pad my like emotional launch pad where i can look out into the world okay i can look down like i say go check out the surf now i'll be able to go and get your butt off and then i just imagine i love to read that helps me to go to bed sure i love to read all through the day but If you're almost asleep but can't quite, try reading. And then if that doesn't work, then you'll do more yoga. That's the best time, in all honesty, to do poetry, and that will turn into a song. So I don't waste anything. I appreciate this, and I think that every man, no matter what age, does need his own space. I'm glad you came to it now. And it's important for all of us, and that's something that we kind of stand behind here. Yeah. So what are you going to put in? Are you going to soundproof this thing? Are we going to, like, put down some Persian rugs, television, or is it more of like an ashram vibe? I want to have it feel like I'm looking on a map. So I have to have a map, a big map. And then this is where I'm going to bring Lollapalooza or Jane's Addiction or Porno for Pyros or Heaven After Dark. Where am I going to strike next on the party scene? Okay, so it's an area for you to not only get some work done and write and do a little yoga, but it's also a way for you to visualize the future.

Both in your mind's eye, but also on the map on the wall. Yeah, I've got to get a great map. The president has like, he has his war room. You know what I mean? And this is like the love room. This is whatever. It's like the war room, but the opposite of war. The peace room. The peace room. The peace room. Okay. Yes. You go there, you got all these TVs. Yes, yes. Let's kiss that guy. Let's DJ at that after party. Yeah, fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. But I forgot to invite that guy. Okay, so it's Friday. We're over in the boo. We're having a nice cold Stella. I've got to say, I'm very envious of your situation right now, Perry. It seems like the way that you're living life is – I'm envious of it, and I'd like to – I would like to absorb some of your vibes today. What's stopping you, my friend? That's a great question, and I'll say this now. Jason does a lot more chores than you do, is my guess. I'm not at the point where I'm able to, like when the dogs were barking and you were like, we got to take care of that. When the dogs are barking. I snap it myself, you know what I mean? But I will be there. You're a little bit older than us, so we're working our way there. So I will be there, but nothing is really stopping me. But sometimes I just forget to have like an afternoon beer on a Friday after a good long week's worth of work, you know? Jason, it's a commandment. You must have a peaceful, happy Friday. You know that. I know that. Well, I just ate an edible, so you inspired me to do that. Sometimes when we have a guest on, I'll be like, you know what, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should have a more sober mindset, but you have allowed me to relax a little bit. Yeah, I'd be pissed off if you were too uptight right now. No, I know. I mean, as the sober guy in the duo, I'm uptight, so we can't have two of us. You know what I mean? You've got to kind of split the difference. Well, when you say sober, what do you do to relax? That's a great question, and it's pretty tough for me to relax. But exercise combined with tennis, and then also I'm a reader as well.

Unfortunately, as the phone has taken over, it's becoming harder and harder to concentrate during the day. You know, though, don't forget about those paper books. Yeah, I only read paper books, but the lure of the phone. Yeah, I know, but that phone's not that good for you, especially long term. Everything from the radiation to when you look at it, you know what that's doing to your eyes? Oh, he knows. All the Blu-ray going into your eye that goes into your brain gives you... You know all those advertisements they have today for migraines? Yes, yes. You're getting them by looking at the television that's giving you a commercial about a migraine. What a racket. Great point. Great point. I should have thought of that. That's a great point. Well, every good businessman sells the drug and the cure at the same time or sells the disease and the cure back to you. Yeah. You've been living with a different set of responsibilities for quite a long time. So I feel like a Friday for you can come any day of the week, depending on what's been going on. No, but there's a special time. Every day, every week, there's the Sabbath. And that was the best commandment that they put in there. Basically, chill out. You're right. Take a minute to chill out. You're right. That's one thing I can relate to. You have to. That's the one thing I can relate to. But sometimes, Chris is the kind of guy where, for me, it's like, hey, chill out. I'll be like, great. I'll lay on the couch, kick my feet up, have a great time. But Chris, he kind of needs someone to hold. He needs four strong men to hold each one of his limbs down. And then he'll, you know, then he'll sort of relent after a while. Really? Why? Perry, I don't know. I'm just, this is how I'm wired. I mean, I used to be, obviously I was a drug addict, so it was pretty easy then because I would just get fucked up and feel great. You know what I mean? Right. But once that is off the table, things become a little different, and you've got to kind of find your way, which I think that maybe in my – I'll begin to relax as I get older. I'm creeping up on 40. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I have some time, I think. Yeah, we've got to move Chris from the fight or flight into the –

Into the rest and digest mindset. Have you taken on hobbies as you've gotten older? Because maybe that's what I need to do. You know, I'm always interested and fascinating with creation. So I'm always creating things like, as an example. So you had Jane's Addiction that brought Lollapalooza. And then fast forward, you know, then Pornful Pirates came after that. And then, you know, Satellite Party, then Kind Heaven. Now we've got a... A new emerging kind of a mini festival or a club that's emerging now, Heaven After Dark. And so that's what I do is I'm always occupying my time in the creation. I'm always trying to create something that we can. use on the friday night so what what what's up with heaven after dark you said it's a it's a club is this here in la or is this a traveling thing yeah right now it's it's in los angeles but we have designs to take it around the world just like lala just like lala okay yeah so you know and then i'm writing music and uh thinking about the show but you know essentially we're writing music all week for that party that's going to become eventually it'll get you know into a bigger and bigger and a wilder and more exciting situation what a dream and that's what i occupy my time with so as long as it's as long as it's good stuff like that but you know what fellas you know life has a funny way you think you you're in the clear And then something just pops up and you just go, oh, no. Now I got to worry about this. You know, I got to put my time thinking about this and what are they thinking and all that shit, you know. So I think the best thing you can do to counteract depression is to just be as truthful as you can be. Truth is what we're all pursuing. What was it? I wrote it down. Recognizing Jaws.

existence. And when you say Jaws, that's J-A-H, not J-A-W-S. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. Jaws. So through all the years of bud pinching and consuming marijuana. Bud pinching. I love it. Favorite way to consume. Obviously in the 90s we were hitting the three foot, the six foot bong maybe. Blunts, spliffs, you know, bubblers, you know, resin hits, all those things. How do you take it on a daily basis? Well, I can't smoke very much because of my voice. You got to protect the instrument, the moneymaker. Yeah. Yeah. So I sacrifice. I sacrifice. I will only smoke, like, let's say there was a gang of shows and then I don't have another show for, like, a month or something. And I'll smoke after that show for a couple of days or something, you know. And then I'll just put it away and start getting back into training. I enjoy going out for a walk with Storm and Cloud. and singing out on that walk and sounding good and knowing in my mind and my heart that I'm going to be really good the night that I perform, I would rather have that feeling in my heart than the joint. So it's kind of like I give something up for something better. Damn. I can't wait until I have something in my life that's better than marijuana to give up. He's still, it could be an eternal search for you, Jason. Damn, that's, I mean, I just love the thought of you out there in the canyons walking around with a couple of dogs just belting out songs out into the world. Yeah. The squirrels and the birds are the only one who can hear you. Yep, and hawks.

And the Hawks, of course. And the Hawks, of course. I mean, do you have a strict, are there things you have to avoid besides smoking to keep the voice in check after all these years? No dairy, maybe? Yeah, little dairy. You don't do a lot of dairy because that's just mucus. You never really seem like a dairy guy, though. Really? What a dairy guy. Like, you know what? He's a dairy guy. What should I say? No. He's not much of a daring guy. When I would watch you on MTV, you know, I'm watching the Ben caught stealing video for the four millionth time as a youngster. And I'm thinking this guy's eating, you know, some tofu Thai noodle salad. You know, things that are bright and leafy greens and healthy and things like that and not a lot of Velveeta and stuff, you know? And you said to yourself, you know, I noticed he's staying away from the dairy section. Did you notice that? And the video takes place. You can see the dairy in there, and he's clearly avoiding it. He danced right by it. He skipped right by it. Skipped right by it. I don't do much dairy, but, I mean, I'm not going to ever say I'll never do it because it's kind of delicious sometimes. Sure. There is a certain yogurt that you guys can have. Okay. We can all have that's actually good for you. So most of the problems with dairy are due to the fact that the way that the modern dairy farm gets the dairy product, it's full of hormones and this and that, right? But there's a certain yogurt, it's Bulgarian, from Bulgaria. For some reason, their yogurt is really good for you. I try to avoid things that more than anything, I try to avoid foods that would like affect arthritis. In other words, like the body swelling, swelling joints and things like that. Inflammation. Yeah, I try to avoid foods that inflame. That's good advice because you got to, I mean.

You're still squeezing into some pretty small pants, so you've got to make sure the waist is snatched. Oh, I know it, man. I know. It's really impressive. Yeah, let's think about that. Let's think about that. Unfortunately, that's all I fucking think about. That's why I'm so stressed out. The leather pants are fitting a little snug these days. Oh, my God. Am I going to fit those pants? I think a lot of the – you're doing yoga. You're eating well. Is there some other – because as Jason and I get up there and age, we need to kind of – learn from our elders about kind of how to stay like what's the are you getting facials like what is the what is the skincare routine looking like well yeah so are you guys both single no okay who's asking your wife or your girlfriend or your boyfriend will have products yes they're into botox and you just like look over there and say what's that you know And then the next thing you know, they'll be smothering you with it. There's drawers of products all over the place. I'll never have to buy a thing again. And that's another thing you do when you're not quite too tired to sleep or not quite tired enough to sleep. Go and mess around with your face. Okay, so you're doing a couple masks at 2.30 a.m. with the rerun. Okay. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe. That's a good use of time. If I'm going to be writing my jaw poetry, I might as well do it with a matcha facial scrub mask on. I got to use this time wisely. I got to double dip. Put my P50 on if we're going to be doing it. I get it. Yeah, that's good. That's good advice. Recognize jaw's existence. Recognize jaw's existence. Thank you. Okay, so how long have you been in your relationship for, Perry? Oh, with Essie, maybe 24, 23 years as a relationship. And we've been married now. It's going to be 21 years. Oh, wow. Okay, that's a long time. And you've had to buy her a lot of products over the years, haven't you? You know, it's not anything I have to do. She's so into the products. I just sit back and I wait for the boxes to show up. And I just shave her. Sure, sure. Like, what's this one?

You know what I did? She's got so many boxes. You know what I did? I went and bought a Christmas tree, and I put it in my living room. Really? Yeah. That's the best, because that's actually a thing that we talk about a lot on this show. Not a lot, but when we have... Let me show you. So this is a year-round... Christmas tree in the living room. Man, do you get boxes all year round at your house? Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. See, look, this thing, I just got this. I don't know what this is. Oh, shit. See? For our listeners at home, this is not just a Christmas tree. This is a hot pink Christmas tree. And it's lit. It's lit up, too. And it's currently lit at two in the afternoon. Now, my question is, did she think this was as funny as you thought it was, or was it maybe a joke that only went one way? I think I actually let her off the hook, let that pressure off, because the house was just full of boxes, man. Rather than complaining about it all year long, I just said, you know, how would you feel about a pink Christmas tree? So it wasn't a surprise. You got clearance before purchasing the tree. Yeah, yeah. And oddly enough, it probably showed up in another box, right? Exactly. Chris and I spend a few hours every week just breaking down cardboard boxes for the recycling bin, and we're not even famous, you know, so. People will have whole rooms. A dedicated room. Where they just live in. But the tree is the best idea I've heard. Yeah, that's by a country mom. Yeah, that's God tier stuff right there. That's Jaw tier. Jaw wisdom. Jaw wisdom wants to know, what's the game plan when Christmas arrives? Are we going to do double tree? How is this going to work? Or are you guys a Jewish household? Well, we are Jewish, but... All people are welcome. Yeah, we love to pray with all people. We love praying together. Okay, well, we'll look for our Christmas dinner invite. I'll send you our address. It's no problem. I'm vegetarian, but Jason eats everything. I'm not a big Christmas guy, if I'm being honest with you, but I just don't. It seems like a lot for nothing. You know what I'm saying? No, please.

I just mean, you know, I had we had an aunt and uncle in my family who were pretty wealthy and they would have people come over and decorate their house for the holidays. It was this beautiful, you know, it was such a beautiful thing as a kid. You're like, this is fucking crazy. It's like I'm at, you know, Santa's Wonderland. And as you get older and you realize that, you know, that costs a lot of money. You got to get all these people gifts. And it's like, oh, man, you got to get gifts. Terry, I give gifts year-round, okay? So I don't feel like I have to blow my load at Christmas. I just find the food isn't great. It's just a lot for a little. I would rather continue my days as normal. That's all. Yeah, it's funny. I wouldn't know because being Jewish, we never celebrated Christmas. But being around Christians, so many Christians, I kind of saw just slightly through their eyes what Christmas was about. And it's, let me think about this. How should I say this? Well, the first thing is I do think it's a little funny that Jesus wasn't actually even born then. You come to find out it was some like leftover holiday from people that love trees. Armistice Day, right? And it was a pagan holiday. So why they would do that? Why don't you just say, no, no, guys, find out when he was really born and celebrate then. Like, why do you got to like put up, why do you got to make his holiday when it's not really his day? Look, it just, it works better for Jesus's schedule that week. He kind of had to move some things around. If it's all the same either way, we just like to keep it at the 25th. I am all for celebrating Jesus. I think Jesus is awesome. Yep. Jesus rocks. I would help if anybody want to, like, get it his birthday right. And let's fix this shit. Okay. Do you know when his actual, is it, like, January 9th? I don't know. We don't even know. God only knows. He's not only Jewish, but he hasn't looked on Wikipedia. I mean, it's, you know. Jesus?

No, you. No, I'm saying the birthday. So you're saying your issue with it mostly is that it's not the day it should be. I don't have an issue. If everybody wants to wear orange underwear on Wednesday, the 23rd of June, I'll wear orange underwear if it makes you happy. I like that. I don't have an issue with it. I just think it's funny looking at it from a person who's not a Christian. If I was starting from scratch and wanted to put a holiday together for my buddy Jesus or my relative, because I know he was a relative. So why did you borrow? Somebody else, some other holiday. I just don't understand. So maybe you guys can tell me. No, look, I was raised in a Baptist household. I attended church every Sunday for years, and unfortunately, I don't have the answers for you. This is above my pay grade. See, something's wrong with that. We've got to get to the bottom of that. You're right. I will talk to some of my local clergymen and kind of try to find out what's going on here. Yeah. Yeah, I think Chris needs some... some Sabbath is in his life maybe. And we can, we can get down, man. Let's find out like what would be the best holiday for him. Hey, if you want to keep it where it is, I'm good with tattoos. I love to me. I actually love it when it's Christmas time. I actually do enjoy giving presents away. I'm sorry to tell you. Perry, I bet you do. And I don't, you know, I love Chris and I love giving somebody a thoughtful present. That's wrapped with love and care. But the going, the shopping for it, the figuring out what you're going to get, the traffic, the waiting in lines, all that stuff, it can be a little overwhelming. Luckily, we have online shopping now, but it kind of takes some of the romance out of it. Perry, do you double park the Rolls Royce at the Grove? I don't think you do. You know what I mean? Like it's a pain in the ass. No, I have a pretty good Christmas story I'll share with you. Please do.

We don't celebrate exactly how Christians do it, but we still love to give presents at that time and take holidays and go somewhere. So one Christmas I was shopping around. It was almost midnight, and I finally got my ass out onto the streets to buy presents. I went to Kids Are Us. This must have been. Maybe 15 years ago. And I'm going up and down the aisles, and the aisles are really picked through. There's like maybe one football, and it's a Nerf football, and it's got a big chunk out of it. Like not top quality stuff. Looks like Lollapalooza after everyone left. Yeah. There's shit everywhere. Yeah, buy the trash can. Yeah, exactly. So I see there's Chris. Yeah. There's Chris. From Soundgarden. Oh, wow. And he's walking at me and he's got his push cart. This is in L.A.? This is where? Yeah. So he passes me and he says, hey, man. I look in his push cart and he's looking at my push cart. I've got all these balls, you know, boy toys. And he's got this big pink box. I look at it and he's looking at mine. So it's obvious I've got boys and he's got girls. But, you know, like Chris and I were always kind of competitive, shall we say, you know, both lead singers and good bands. So I look and I see this big pink box and he tries to brag to me. He says, I got the last fairy castle that they had here. And it was, it was a big pink fairy castle. He had every right to brag to you. It was an impressive castle. That's my Christmas story. I mean... The fact that you two bozos were at Kids R Us at midnight says that's really everything I need to know. Everything, right? That's everything I need to know. I mean, look, it is a special holiday. Maybe I see it in a different light now because you find so much joy in it that I'm starting to kind of see things in a different way. I only see it like I don't have to work and I can go and do like either I can go surfing or I can go snowboarding. You know, I bug out.

And nobody expects much from me. Of course, that's not really the case. My wife expects a lot from me and my children, but I don't mind. Even when you're a guy who's prone to bugging out, the old ball and chain still wants to get a pound of flesh, huh? Yeah, but you know what? I'm good with it all. I really do. Of course, it's worth it. She pushes you to be the person you need to be, right? Just about. Just about. Are you guys a big Hawaii family? Or are you a big Hawaii guy? Yeah. You strike me as the type. Love Hawaii. Yeah. I don't know if it's for me, but I'm willing to explore. So just say to yourself, Ja made all this. You're right. I've got to recognize this is Ja right here. Okay. If it's the four seasons, then it's Ja. That's how I'm going to look at it. Is the jaw suite available this weekend, guys? No, man. You just look out there and you see this amazing golf course and you go, jaw made all this. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Jaw made the 14th hole. Jaw Nicholas did this course. Jaw created the sun trap. Oh. Okay, so I wanted to talk to you about the DJ game, Perry. Yeah? I know that you've always dabbled in the DJing world. Are you still got some decks in the peace room upstairs in the attic? Oh, shit. Decks right here, motherfucker. Damn. Right by the bar. I carved out a section right at the bar. I've got a fucking whole setup. Yeah. Wow. I walk this place every night. Okay, so... I bet your kids love that. They do. Okay, so you're playing on vinyl still, is what it looked like. Well, I play off anything, but I prefer to play off of vinyl. Yeah, I still do. And is that just because that's kind of what you grew up on and that's what it is? Or what do you think the philosophy or the... Why? What's the jaw level of vinyl compared to CDJs? Yeah, so yeah, when I was a little boy...

There was like 45s. I grew up, I was born in 1959. So by the time I can, you know, kind of walk around, my big brother, I had a brother 10 years older than me. And I had a sister eight years older than me. So they were way into music. And they would. They would have make-out parties and they'd play records on the porch, you know, in Queens. Hopefully not together. Queens, that was during the British invasion. So you can imagine, you know, the Beatles and the Stones were popular. I was living in Flushing, Queens in the early 60s. Just like the nanny. Music was incredible in those days, you know, Motown. And, you know, the other side of it, rock and roll was just unbelievable. My brother and my big sister would buy records. Then when I got to be old enough where I can buy a record, I started buying records. And I can remember my household exploding when we would be listening even to the radio and the right song would come on. Dogs would be barking. My brothers and sister would be doing dances because in the 60s, it was very popular to know different dances, you know, like, you know. Whatever. This is the jerk. This is the monkey. The monkey, you know. So we all danced and sang. And vinyl was specifically triggered. I can remember being down in the basement watching my big brother make it out. I would be the bartender and the DJ. Really? Yeah. So literally you recreated your childhood club setup in your own house right now. You have a bar and turntables right there. Yeah, I guess so. And then people come over every night to make out on your sunken living room with all of your couches, and then you just play some tasteful electronica? I make out. And then I go and play it. Hold on, babe. I've got to go switch this record out. It's true.

What kind of stuff are you going to play tonight for tonight's makeup party? Tonight's makeup party. I am playing, let's see. For listeners at home, we're going back to the booth. This morning, I was playing Dylan and Cash Session. Okay. Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash. Later on, I'm going to play some Marvin Gaye. Great for the morning. Classic. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Getting it started early. Got some Andy Warhol. Velvet Underground, Stone Roses. Damn, let's go. Now we're talking. Pet Sounds. Wow, you really, it's classics only. And then John Cage for some real out there shit. Maybe I can put this on right now because I could probably talk to John Cage. It wouldn't be great for the edit, unfortunately, but we can do it for a brief moment. All right. Now, if you're DJing at a gig that you're being paid for. What are we playing? Yeah, what are we playing in the club? What are we playing in the club? And if you are playing John Cage into Pet Sounds in the club, then I would like to come see that. I'll bring a folding chair and some peyote because that'll be a ride. And I won't be able to stand. If I were to play the party, you'd have to tell me who's going to be there, where it's going to be, and what time and all that. It all really matters. If you're talking about dance, I would be playing, at this point, I'd be playing mostly my own remixes, working with artists that I've been working with, Victor Ruiz, Maceo Plex, Sasha, James Lavelle. So these, yeah, so like, you know, late 90s, early 2000s, LA club scene, all these guys were really, that was it. No, these are brand new cats. Some of those people, not all of those people. Well, Sasha is old school, of course. But, no, and then I would definitely get into, let's see, Osama Abdullah. Do you know who she is? No. She's an incredible Palestinian DJ, producer, by Gerber. Oh, Red Axes. You know Red Axes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, okay. So do you do, like,

like ayahuasca type, like real heavy stuff. It's a little based on your musical, but you know, I feel like the music that you like to kind of be put into a trance, you know what I mean? Well, when you're talking about trance, yes, you want to be into a trance, less so if you're letting the dogs out for a pee. You know, you might want to hear Bob Dylan singing with Johnny Cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's how it goes. So what is your musical discovery? Like, are you checking out Spotify new releases? Are you getting emails from friends? Like, where are we? How are we discovering the new stuff? Well, I have very good friends, sources that fill me in because of the fact my position as a producer. I produce house music. You know, I like co-produced house music. So all the artists that I mentioned to you, I have recently been working with to produce tracks. So I get their names from, I have a fellow, Johnny, what's his last name? Johnny Hudson. So Johnny Hudson is, he's kind of like an agent, if you will, putting different house artists together. His company is called Remixology. I put the music out myself and then the artists put it out on their label. So we share the track. So I can go off and DJ it. They can go off and DJ it. And then we can also come together and perform it live PA. So that's what I'm doing with the dance world. But when it comes to the other tracks. I like to just go record shopping with my boys. So you just hit Amoeba and start digging. Yeah. I don't even like it online. Because, you know, now you got people that are trying to, like, get up in your face and if they got some kind of algorithm that's going to start.

changing people's minds when you know the music's not even that good but they got the algorithm thing going you know i don't trust it i don't i don't trust either and it's made to not be trusted i trust me and you talking yeah no i i agree i think we all have those friends that that kind of put us on to new music and introduce us to things which is you know an important relationship for every person that's it i mean my closest friends have the best taste in music i would say that about jason to an extent but he's he goes a little more electronic than i like i'm kind of a guitar guy you know what i mean i like both i like analog and digital they all have their certain like i say certain time of the day in a certain location with a certain uh listener it'll it'll move around you can't have you can't have you know techno gone I know I always find it funny when people are driving around and they're blasting techno or they're riding their bicycle to techno. Those guys are so funny. They're so hardcore. They're like diehard techno. Yeah, it always makes me wonder what's going on inside their head. Are they really enjoying it? Are they really enjoying this or is this like a weird punishment that they're giving to themselves? Or they haven't come down yet, so it's like, keep it going, keep it going. Yeah, that's very, that's more, I would hope that's it, but it probably isn't. Unfortunately, we can all relate to that. I was in New York last week, and I got up to run early, and I finally, it has been years, I saw somebody leaving the club. when I was up exercising. And it made me feel so good about myself. It made me feel so good about myself that she was leaving the club at 7 a.m. When I was doing that at that age, I would have never assumed that I would be waking up at like 6 in the morning on purpose. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's a punishment. Now, you guys are getting ready. Are you getting ready to go on tour pretty soon, right? Oh, we have the Belasco Theater. That's going to be that club thing that I'm telling you guys about. In three weeks, we've got that.

a club that it's right now. It's a quarterly. Oh, you guys should come for sure. Oh, we're going to come. We'll be there. You've, you've sold us internally. All right. Cool. Cool. I've been to the Belasca. This is a, this is a 360 experience, isn't it? Oh no, it's, it's fantastic. If you dig art and the arts, it's the place to be, man. So there's going to be a gallery. These people, the art of Elysium have a gallery going down. and they also have performance artists that are really interesting. I was hanging with one. Her name is Rain Phoenix. Do you guys know Rain Phoenix? No. These could be your cat's names, though. What is her discipline? Her discipline is, well, she's an actress. Her brother is... Oh, she's River. Is she River's sister? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, got it. So she's part of the collective that is the Art of Elysium. And her thing is more, I think... Okay, so her thing is she's got an organization called Launch Left. Basically, it's people that are odd fellows, kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah, I do know. We kind of did that math to begin with. Odd ladies and fellas. And so we had a great chat yesterday. So our whole thing is, you know, left of center. It's okay to feel left of center, but I think the universe is so big. I don't think there's such a thing as left of centers. Wherever you go, you can straighten the left of center out. You could also make it. right of center too. I don't know. That's right. I don't know. But anyway, anyway, she's going to be there contributing. It's basically an art collective with musicians and artists and early adapters, newly emerging, the newly emerging, you know, the terribly overworked and fatigued. A little bit. And then you guys are going on tour with Smashing Pumpkins as well, though, correct? Yeah, that's later. That's later in the year.

When is that? November in L.A. November in L.A., yeah. We'll see you at the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah. We'll be friends there. Yeah, so what's your relationship with Billy these days? You guys are just buds? Yeah. He's a really talented, deep-thinking fellow. I love his music, and I love his family. He's got a great family. I love his music as well. I don't love his interest in wrestling as much. I do. I do. I think it's a weird – I know he's into cats, which I don't love, but the wrestling is too far. The wrestling is such a curveball for Billy Corgan. You've got to love it. That's what I say. Guys, those wrestlers are amongst the greatest entertainers on earth. They do need – I would love to give wrestling a makeover myself. Sure, sure. Because I do recognize those cats are so gnarly. I mean – I feel for those cats to a degree because musicians, we go out on the road and we run ourselves down, you know, to the point of exhaustion and we get injured. I've got injuries, you know, throughout. I've sustained injuries throughout the 40 years I've been entertaining. I know how they feel. You know, they put everything into the ring like we do everything onto the stage. So there's a mutual respect. I have a respect for them. Yeah, for sure. And what they got going on with them, a little throat coat ain't going to help it. Exactly. Yeah, that is true. They're sacrificing their body and their mind for the... Pure sake of entertainment, and that's the most selfless act you could ever do, you know? You know, and they're putting their bodies on the line just because they want to be loved. Just because they want to be loved, because they need to be loved. Yeah. And it's worth it for them. Don't we all. Don't we all, man? Don't we all. But also, like you said at the beginning of that point, wrestling does need a makeover. I don't like the branding for it very much at all. It needs to be cooler and sexier. Yeah, I can take it out there, man.

I like that. I'm sure. Well, send over the deck. I'll put it on the WWE's desk for you. I think I'm going to do that. I was going to say, I think this is a great idea to create. Your manager is in the back of the Zoom going like, oh, great. Now we're going to rebrand the WWF motherfucker. I'm not Billy. I see. I see. Because I watched you guys on Howard Stern. And we're big Stern heads over here, and you've gone many times over the years. Did you listen to Stern in New York at any point, or did you come to it later? I have listened to Howard before as much as I listen to morning radio, which is not that often because – Sure. I find myself being fast asleep at that time. Sure, sure, sure. So you like him enough to listen to it if you're on it, let's say. I love Howard Stern. I think he is so special. He was such a great individual. I agree. Look, I just think that it's a funny thing that like. Certain people get it, certain people don't. You know what I mean? But it's so big at the same time. It's a good barometer test. If you can go on there and go with the flow and answer his questions, then you're like, okay, that's the kind of person I like. You know, you can learn a lot. He had a movie out. Private Parts. Private Parts. If you watch that movie, you get really a lot more insight because you get to study him. You get to look into his eyes. He's got these really beautiful blue eyes. He's a very sweet man. I would love to stare into his big, beautiful eyes. We'll see how well this podcast does. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, Jason and I aren't going to be duetting anytime soon on the Howard stage, but hopefully we can get there one day. They're telling me I've got to wrap up. It's all good. We've done it. Honestly, it's a pleasure, man. Thanks so much for joining us, and we'll see you at the Hollywood Bowl, if not before. Okay. Take care, fellas. We'll talk to you soon. God bless. God bless. God bless, Perry. God bless.